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post #31 of 55
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Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
Damn, I get excited over a 6" snowfall on top of sheet ice...

Captain Strato- Since you have some great experience, I'd like to ask you a coupla questions about CO vs. UT vs. PNW

1). If you were going on a two week vaca, which would you choose?
2). If you were moving there to live, which would you pick?
3). If you were buying a vacation home in one of them, which would it be?

Please explain why to an out-west noob. I've been to Coller-rada, but that's it for me. I'm mulling over vacation options for this coming season and would love some insight.
Lots of folks here have skied everywhere, and can offer sage input.

For my 2 bits, the answer usually is: "it depends".

a) For a 2 week vacation, I personally would lean toward Utah.

Whistler/Blackcomb is the best spring skiing I've done - fabulous and a great party vibe. Also, the terrain is jaw-dropping. But, for mid-winter, weather's a bit sketchy for my taste. I've had entire weeks of fog and drizzle, but still a good time. Even with bad weather, WB beats most resorts.

If you're into BC trekking, it's limitless in the area surrounding WB.

Colorado is wonderful on many counts, with excellent snow. But, crowds can be an issue. I also experience more wind in CO than I remember in UT.

Utah is my choice for pure skiing. Killer snow, excellent weather, and awesome terrain. I'd stay anywhere, and ski BCC and LCC. Solitude at BCC is not to be missed - crowds are nada, and snow is same as LCC - though terrain isn't as epic. I'd also so Snowbasin and Powder Mountain. I've never skied as much continuous, untrammeled powder as at Powder Mountain. Like a permanent Cat-Skiing trip.

If you're into the apres scene, Park City has it all (but with weird liquor laws). Also, PC and DV can be fun on non-fresh days. Groomer heaven and some decent terrain (Jupiter Bowl).

2) To live - where I am - Coloraddy.

If you can ski mid-week, crowds are irrelevant. Even on weekends, liftlines are rarely an issue. It's mostly traffic to and from the mountains that pains. Also, long schleps to the lifts can be annoying.

But the snow is great, and can be amazing (though not as often as UT). Terrain isn't has hairy as Snowbird and Alta, but will still satisfy most thrill-seekers. Vail's back-bowls are still a boundless hoot, and weather is usually good (can get windy).

Mostly, I love the lifestyle and vibe of Colorado. People here have a simple, outdoorsy vibe. Hiker shorts, Trek bikes, Teva sandals, and Subaru's are everywhere (we have 2). Where we live and hang, Boulder and Broomfield, you don't see many fat people. Health, the outdoors and micro-brews set the tone.

3) Vacation Home: Hmmm...that's a toughie. A few years it back, it would have been Utah. For hunting fresh and scaring yourself stupid (elevator shafts on Snowbird), nothing compares.

Now that I'm 54 (but still cute - yeah), I remain a freek for fresh. But, I'm more prone to consider the social scene and lifestyle. Park City is cool, but it's still Utah. I've lived in Utah and it's not my tribe.

I"d seriously consider Whistler Blackcomb. Property is hyper-inflated now, due to upcoming Olympics. The mid-winter cloud and drizzle can get on my nerves (I lived there once for 3 years). Still, the scene at Whistler is cool. They have some amazing pubs (Dublin Gate), and a festive apres climate. It's a fun place with deep snow, gut-check terrain, and is stunningly beautiful in summer.

Colorado is a safe bet. Property values have tapered-off of late (yes, Matilda, even Summit and Eagle county have been impacted by the mortgage fiasco). The big-ticket sales continue unabated, but the number of transactions on "normal" properties are down by 50%.

So, deals may be better. Also, if you need rental income (use VRBO - not Vail Resorts, which takes 50%), Summit and Eagle counties are locks. With 12 million skier visits per year, your property will rent.

Personally, I just like the place. I'd probably go for CO - ideally in Eagle County.

In a perfect world, we'd all have condos in each!

I hope that helps.
post #32 of 55

The experts say…

Considering the magnitude of this most serious of ongoing debates I turned to some experts who are much closer to the subject of snow than the rest of us longer legged people.

To a [little] person they all agreed that Colorado snow is whiter, dryer and more abundant than any other location on this planet.

Of course upon the obvious follow-up question “where have you all skied?” they replied in unison; “we're not sure where we are right now; what do you expect from us you big goofy giant!”.

The experts:
post #33 of 55
stay away from steamboat, the ice is awful, sometimes 18" deep!!
post #34 of 55
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Enjoy your youth and boundless energy to enjoy the steep.


Personally I find skiing steeps easier, because the hill doesn't impede the force of gravity as much.
post #35 of 55
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Originally Posted by DonDenver View Post
Considering the magnitude of this most serious of ongoing debates I turned to some experts who are much closer to the subject of snow than the rest of us longer legged people.

To a [little] person they all agreed that Colorado snow is whiter, dryer and more abundant than any other location on this planet.

Of course upon the obvious follow-up question “where have you all skied?” they replied in unison; “we're not sure where we are right now; what do you expect from us you big goofy giant!”.

The experts:
Love the picture, the little girl with the butterfly wings has a look that seems to say " buddy move it cause I'm about to come through and you're in my line" gotta love the little rippers though. As to the main thread I can only attest to Utah snow out west and I just can't seem to find a reason to go any other place because the quality was so good. Although Jackson Hole is one place in the U.S. that I really want to check out for the terrain.
post #36 of 55
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Personally I find skiing steeps easier, because the hill doesn't impede the force of gravity as much.
what VA said.........
post #37 of 55
For a couple weeks of vacation, I'd go to Utah. It's not all about the snow. It's the terrain. The variety of it, that is.

Social scene? I'd stay in New York City. The skiing, as we all know, sucks. So whereever I move to, it'll be for the skiing or other outdoor stuff. The social scence is going to suck no matter where when compare to NYC. So frankly, I might as well not bother.

Probably a middle ground would be Vancouver. Though aside from the wet snow, the price of everything is a bit hard to swallow. And that's coming from a New Yorker!

Then, there's Banff. That's like Utah without the liquir laws!

Where does Colorado fit in? Nowhere. I'm not a big fan of it, neither for vacation nor for living there. I only go there if my buddies INSIST...
post #38 of 55
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Social scene? I'd stay in New York City. The skiing, as we all know, sucks. So whereever I move to, it'll be for the skiing or other outdoor stuff. The social scence is going to suck no matter where when compare to NYC. So frankly, I might as well not bother.
Mmmmkay............BTW, is your name Guido?
post #39 of 55
fwiw although I love PC, sorry Aspen kicks its butt as a ski town. Sure it's more $$. They had great snow when I was there.

The only thing about SLC/Utah is everything is fairly close. It's a great little area, but I think if you compare it to Colorado there is much more skiing there. I don't have as much experience with Colorado, probably partially because it's less convenient but also because it's bigger ...

Always wanted to ski Steamboat, Breck ... gotta get up there some time ....

The other thing is the vert, you don't get that in Utah. But not talking about snow here - compared with east Rockies in general are so awesome - drier and deeper stuff.
post #40 of 55
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Then, there's Banff. That's like Utah without the liquor laws (or snow)!
Fixed it for you.
post #41 of 55
My new goal:
I will do my best to sample as much powder in as many locations as I can over the next few seasons, then I will report back on my findings.

I promise to NOT check out the Social climate of NYC.
Not a destination for fun on my agenda. Sorry.
post #42 of 55
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Originally Posted by at_nyc

Then, there's Banff. That's like Utah without the liquor laws (or snow)!


Fixed it for you.
No problem, just don't bring your skis. Especially not in April and May. I'll be lonely in the "slowless" mountain all by myself.
post #43 of 55
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Originally Posted by skier31 View Post
You are right. Colorado snow sucks. I can't recall a powder day in the last several years. Everyone go to Utah with BPA.
It doesn't matter if everybody comes here. There will still be powder left for me and I suspect BPA also ( because they won't know where to go or have the skiing skills to get to it all ).
post #44 of 55
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Originally Posted by ski-ra View Post
[*]There's no question to me that LCC and BCC get the greatest combination of snow quantity and quality, but those canyons represent only four of UT's ski areas and besides, because of their proximity to SLC, they get skied out after a dump like they've been Hoovered.
I see people say that all the time ( about snowbird/alta and others getting tracked up too quick ), but I simply haven't found it to be true.
post #45 of 55
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Originally Posted by UtahPowderPig View Post
I see people say that all the time ( about snowbird/alta and others getting tracked up too quick ), but I simply haven't found it to be true.
Absolutely! Three days after a storm there is plenty of decent powder skiing to be found there!
post #46 of 55
Here are some deep CO shots:

Backcountry down by T-Ride:



these are all in East Vail:






as you can see, there's no deep snow in CO.

Here are some shots from Oct. 19, 2007:




post #47 of 55
BWPA,
All I can say is May of 08 & were still Grins!
Guess I could dig up the photos of the SW Colorado storm that left 120" in 72hrs, but who cares!
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post #48 of 55
Captain Strato: Thanks for the insight! I'm just trying to get a broader perspective of my potential places to go for some epic action. CO right now outweighs all others simply because I have free places to stay and rides to the mtn. I have yet to have a real waist-or-deeper-powder day but when I was in CO last year I had a consistent 8-14" every day so I'm not complaining. Yeah, apres scene means nothing to me as I ski till I drop and I can drink at home but a nice microbrew at the end of the day sure is the icing on the cake. Thanks again, man. Take care & pray for snow!
post #49 of 55
It only rains at Mt. Baker.





It only rains in Washington.

post #50 of 55
It only rains in Whistler



post #51 of 55
Colorado is tits. Remember it snows more at Vail than anywhere else. If you just have to go to Utah, make sure you only ski at Park City. No matter what you should never, ever consider skiing at Beaver Creek, Loveland, Pow Mow, Solitude, or Snowbasin. They all suck immensely and never get any snow.
post #52 of 55
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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan View Post
Things I like about CO: #1. All the TEXANS go there.
thought i would fix it for ya... made it a little more accurate.
post #53 of 55
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Originally Posted by DoWork View Post

1). If you were going on a two week vaca, which would you choose?
2). If you were moving there to live, which would you pick?
3). If you were buying a vacation home in one of them, which would it be?
1) first choice for vacation would be europe but that's not the question so it's either utah or jackson hole / targhee - imo colorado is just too crowded compared to other areas. even areas considered uncrowded are only uncrowded by colorado standards.
2) pnw - in fact i hope to be moving back there soon, and the skiing is a big part of it. big snow, great terrain and a temperate climate (i like the rain) plus proximity to the ocean. for me it is heaven... enjoyed the last few years living away, but it's only made me appreciate the northwest even more.
3) don't.... why be stuck going to the same place over and over.
post #54 of 55
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Originally Posted by topwater View Post
1) utah or jackson hole / targhee - imo colorado is just too crowded compared to other areas. even areas considered uncrowded are only uncrowded by colorado standards.
Wow, you really think so? From my experience Alta/Bird and Jackson all have much bigger lift lines than Aspen.
post #55 of 55
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato View Post
I've lived at both, and skied both.

UT wins hands-down on snow, terrain, lack of crowds and simplicity (short drives, deep dives).

But, once you get outside the ski areas, the overall lifestyle of UT doesn't remotely work for me.

The social vibe of CO feels more "natural", and laid-back. Plus, beer from CO microbrews is waaay good.

I'll take the lessor snow and terrain of CO for the better overall vibe.

But, if it's just a one-week vacation - that's another matter.

Also lived and skied in PNW - a different animal.

Overall social vibe there is cool, and totally laid back (think: Curt Cobain grunge - alive and well, but with decent $$'s, especially at WB).

When the weather's cooperating, the PNW can be epic beyond words. The snow's a bit heavy, but dumps can be crazy huge.

When the fog and drizzle roll in (too often), it's for the intrepid.

I agree, 30 years in Colorado with 22 of it near Aspen and now 7 years in Park City. I love Colorado for the mountains and vibe but I've never skied so many great powder days than in Utah.
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