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Backcountry Spring Gear-Pack etc.

post #1 of 11
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I am a Gaper when it comes to hiking in etc. but considering doing some Spring Hiking in to the snow next year. I need some advice, it seems on what I see here on Epic from pics that ski's are carried on pack, ski boots inside pack and then when snow and higher elevatiions reached you can put them on and ski down, then back to hiking boots, ski's on pack for descent.

Quest. What kind of pack? the A frame the ski's are in is this a special pack with someway of tying ski's on in the A method? As it stands now I would probably use my Nordica Afterburners 178 ski's as I like for almost all conditions, these ok? Really don't want to buy another pair.

Anything else equip wise I should be thinking about? Have a ton, 35yr collection of ski gear for "normal" skiing.

Thanks Pete
post #2 of 11
I am also planning to try some BC skiing next season, and found that this TGR thread has lots of very useful information: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=79349
post #3 of 11
I have my eye on the Osprey Switch 36 pack, personally. It has the option to do diagonal or A-frame ski loading, it has a zip-up helmet holder, 36L of space, spots for shovel & probe, "420 pocket", etc... It is exactly what i'm looking for, except being free.

Other stuff you should have if you're doing and BC riding- probe, shovel, beacon, and GO WITH SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING! It can be dangerous on the mountains in the springtime and we'd hate to hear Pete got hurt or worse. Whatever skis you're comfy with will work, but if you plan on skinning up someday, you'll probably want something wider than the After Burners.
post #4 of 11
I use a nice pack by Deuter, a bit tight for boots:

http://www.backcountry.com/store/DTR...1600cu-in.html

I use AT Boots so usually I walk in them. If I have to walk far they go in or on the pack and I wear light hikers to the snow.

I use much skinnier skis than Afterburners. I can ski spring snow just fine on my 70 mm Dynamics, and they are lighter for the trip up as well as good on frozen corn.

There are many days when spring snow is very safe, and all that avy gear can stay home. I'm sure that will spark some howls, but here's some examples:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=70554
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 

Gear

Newfy, DoWork thanks. What I have in mind is basically that type of BC not the early spring avalanche stuff. Packs look good and now I understand.

Newfy how much would boots, ski's, skins and AT bindings cost me? I guess it would be better if I had the option of hiking up with ski's on pack and boot/alpine inside park or maybe AT boots, ski's bindings etc. then I could hike and/or skin up the snow. Like to keep it simple and cheap for the get go in case I am too old or whatever.

Thanks Pete/NESC
post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post

Newfy how much would boots, ski's, skins and AT bindings cost me? I guess it would be better if I had the option of hiking up with ski's on pack and boot/alpine inside park or maybe AT boots, ski's bindings etc. then I could hike and/or skin up the snow. Like to keep it simple and cheap for the get go in case I am too old or whatever.

Thanks Pete/NESC
Paging Whiteroom! I'm sure he could throw together a started package for you that would keep the pockets un-ravaged... Maybe you should PM him, he's the mang and I'm sure you don't need half the stuff you think you do to get started.
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post

There are many days when spring snow is very safe, and all that avy gear can stay home. I'm sure that will spark some howls, but here's some examples:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=70554
I wouldn't say howls. I would say that it's a personal decision and it should be one based on experience. Hell, I go on solo tours in the middle of winter, and many have an issue with that.

The Osprey Switch Series packs are very nice btw.

For a bit less the BCA Backcountry series packs are also very nice. The BC Stash does a great job for my AT Buddy. I use the BC Stash Rider for my splitboarding needs. Does just about everything I need it too and it does it well.

Overall, Osprey would be my top choice though.
post #8 of 11
Hey, Pete.

First off, you're DEFINITELY not too old. I ski pretty regularly with two different 70-year-olds who make it up (and down) the hill just fine. As a matter of fact, their many years of backcountry skiing are partly responsible for the fact that they can still hike up a few thousand vertical feet with a ski-loaded pack. The cool thing about late-spring skiing is that you can usually just pick a snowfield and then walk up as far (and as slowly) as you feel like before turning around and skiing back down.

As to packs, you'll see about an even distribution between people who carry their boots in their pack versus those who carry them outside the pack (either locked into the bindings or tied onto the outside of the pack). Personally, I prefer the boots inside, but that really limits your choices in packs and usually means a bigger pack than you would normally need for mid-winter day trips.

I have a newer Osprey Switch 26, which is a great pack for regular winter day trips, but my boots DON'T fit inside it, so I use my old Vortex 2200 when I go on trips where I'll be hiking in something besides ski boots. That, by the way, means almost all of my summer and early fall skiing.

I agree about not needing a wide ski for summer skiing. Usually, you're after the lightest combo you can get, so you really don't need a big ski for the conditions you'll typically find. Practically anything will work. Short is good, light is good, wide won't hurt anything but isn't necessary.

I'm going to be skiing in Alaska for a day in the Aleutian Range next week, and I'm taking the shortest, lightest pair of skis I could scrounge together (some 163cm Black Diamond Havocs with Fritschi Freerides). Ski "performance" really isn't a consideration when you're summer skiing.

You honestly could put together a *summer* ski setup for not much money. Any short-for-you mid-fat ski from ebay will do. (I think the Rossi BanditXX/B2 is a great choice for this kind of skiing because it's light and versatile). Here's a new pair: http://cgi.ebay.com/07-Rossignol-Bandit-B2-All-Mountain-Freeride-Skis-166cm_W0QQitemZ370075207142QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m370075207142&_trkparms=72%3A1073%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A 2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&time out=1218564750292

Better yet, I just remembered that a friend gave me two pairs of Volkl something-or-others to sell at our ski club swap this fall. I think one of the pairs might be perfect for you. I'll check the model and length later today and post them. The skis would be CHEEP but have no bindings. You can always find a pair of bindings cheap, or you could buy my pair of barely-used Naxo Nx21's for $175. You could just pick up the skis and the bindings when you come here to Jackson for the Gathering this winter.

Anyway, summer skiing is fun. It's pretty cheap to get into, it's very healthy exercise, and you really don't need to worry much about avalanches if you wait until the snow is fully consolidated in the spring and you stay off (and out from under) steep slopes that are heating up in the sun.

Have fun.
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 

BC spring

thanks everyone I am learning. thanks Bob let me know about ski's, may take you up on the ski/binding deal. See what happens when you, VA, and Newfy post those pic's. I have a place up here on the Idaho/Montana border that I have been looking at for years and think maybe I'll go for it next year. Thanks Pete.

Bob, got some bad news on Gathering at JH, I have one trial left (Houston) that was scheuled for trial in early Dec 08, they just moved it to Jan 09. I am hoping it is not late January but with my luck - ugh. Do not want to go to Houston in January. Anyway I will be there if this doesn't ocurr. Ski/Binding deal may be just what I want.
post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
thanks everyone I am learning. thanks Bob let me know about ski's, may take you up on the ski/binding deal. See what happens when you, VA, and Newfy post those pic's. I have a place up here on the Idaho/Montana border that I have been looking at for years and think maybe I'll go for it next year. Thanks Pete.

Bob, got some bad news on Gathering at JH, I have one trial left (Houston) that was scheuled for trial in early Dec 08, they just moved it to Jan 09. I am hoping it is not late January but with my luck - ugh. Do not want to go to Houston in January. Anyway I will be there if this doesn't ocurr. Ski/Binding deal may be just what I want.
Major bummer on the trial. Maybe it'll get settled or continued or something. I hope you can make it here.

I checked my storage and I had forgotten that he gave me FOUR pairs of skis to sell at the swap. I think any of them would work. Here's what he has. All of them are in excellent shape and I doubt that any of them have more than a couple dozen ski days on them.

190cm Volkl Snow Rangers with Marker M54 bindings

180cm Volkl Snow Rangers with Marker M54 bindings

177cm Volkl Vertigo G3's with Salomon bindings (binding model something like 810's)

180cm Volkl mystery skis with no bindings. These are twin tips with absolutely no model name or dimensions. They have black topsheets, a thin yellow layer on the sidewall right above the edges, and a very psychedelic yellow-and-black graphic near the tail of something that looks like it might be a naked woman. I didn't have my camera so I can't post a photo. Whatever they are, they're kind of mid-fat and have a set of filled-and-epoxied drill holes for some bindings.

The price for the skis with bindings is $50. I guess I might have to do a little more investigation to figure out what sort of price to set on the twin tips.

If I were buying skis ONLY for summer skiing, I'd go with those G3's.

If I thought I might end up doing some winter backcountry skiing, I'd look seriously at the 180cm Snow Rangers. That's a pretty nice wide ski (it's funny, because that was a FAT ski in its day) that you could easily ski powder and crud with.

The twins might be an interesting choice as well - they feel fairly light and are wide enough. I think they are probably an early model in the V line of park skis by Volkl. I think they are supposed to be an "all-mountain park ski". Those I would sell for $40 (they have no bindings).

So, there you go. I think all three of the shorter skis would work just fine for what you're thinking about.
post #11 of 11
Hey bob can you post pictures of those 180s?

do they look like the V-pros pictured here?
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