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Nordica Doberman Aggressor and Canting

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Hello,

Here is a question for the boot experts: I moved from a Nordica WC 150 Doberman to a Nordica 150 Aggressor. I have always been 2.5 to 3.5 to the inside prior to canting.

When fitted in the Aggressor it was spot on for one foot and .5 degree off on the other.

Does this really reflect an absent need for canting? Or is this something idiosyncratic to the Aggressor type boots (Abducted?) requiring a different determination for whether one needs canting or not?

Thanks
post #2 of 11
A more abducted boot will affect your knee tracking to the lateral side. So if you are a pronator and your knees normally track outside to inside, abcucted boots will help straighten out your tracking and solve some of the undercanting issues. Footbed posting may also play a part in this senerio as well as boot cuff tracking adjustments. Do a search and you will find other discussions here on epic regarding the pros and cons of abducted boots.
post #3 of 11
+1 what Bud said.

Keep in mind these are static canting measurements. You still need to go ski the boot and make adjustments based on what you feel and others see.

You say you were "spot on". What exactly was the change in your canting numbers from your previous setup?
post #4 of 11
What these guys said. Abducted boot definitely affects knee tracking. That said it does not mean that it is the boot for you only skiing will tell.

Lou
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 
My previous canting degrees were 3.5 on the left and 2.5 on the right.
post #6 of 11
It will be interesting to see what others that do more canting than I do say, but I find it hard to accept that the few degrees of abduction built into the aggressor can account for that much change in underfoot cants.

I think it is more likely to be attributed to cuff alignment.

Lou
post #7 of 11
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My previous canting degrees were 3.5 on the left and 2.5 on the right.
Yes, but what are your current numbers. I'm still not clear on how much things have changed.
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
After changing to .the Aggressor, I was 0 degrees inside on the left and .5 degree inside on the right
post #9 of 11
It will be interesting to hear how you ski with those numbers. The sweet spot is usually with the knee mass slightly inside, but it depends on several factors including knee thrust/tracking (as opposed to static measurements), medial ROM/flexibility, along with motor skills. These boots may work fine, or you may find yourself slightly 'overcanted'... let us know .
post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 

to jdistefa

You were curious about the impact of the new canting numbers.
Previously in the doberman boot, I have been canted to 0 degrees in both boots. Definitely not overcanted.

My original question had to do with the validity of comparing canting degrees between a traditional boot and an abducted.
post #11 of 11
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Previously in the doberman boot, I have been canted to 0 degrees in both boots. Definitely not overcanted.
Overcanted as measured by knee movement inside the arc and ability to run a clean ski... or based on static canting numbers? 0 degrees tends to be a little aggressive (towards the 'overcanted' end of the spectrum) but if it works for you - great . After all, static canting is just a reference point.

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Originally Posted by wta55 View Post
My original question had to do with the validity of comparing canting degrees between a traditional boot and an abducted.
Good question. Abducted boots will - in most people - help to load the arch and great toe (medial column) a little more quickly at the top of the turn. However - and here's the big caveat - this type of boot design can cause more varus/outward thrust in the knees of people who are already 'straight' or bowlegged. So although canting numbers can look "good", dynamically you may ski better or worse based on how your knee tracks and in the interplay between foot, ankle, and knee function on hill. So, that's my long answer for... I don't think there's much validity in comparing canting numbers between different boots and making direct predictions from those numbers alone. You have to understand how the whole package works .
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