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For those about to huck: we salute you.

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
I'm interested in some people's thoughts on what seperates a 20 foot cliff-dropping person from a 60+ foot cliff-dropping person.

I've thought about this often as I work my way through the transition (I'm about half-way now.)

For the huckers in here, what do you think?
What kept you from going big before, that doesn't now? What is different/changed?

Is it mental, technique, what?
post #2 of 27
If my calculator is working......

..... about 40 feet?

couldn't resist!
post #3 of 27
I know the feeling. I huck too man. Its been going for a while but it got crazy over the last two seasons. In the beginning I feared things going wrong. Then it was a bad snow year that stopped me. When I finally went it was an adrenaline thing. My friend and I were stoked and I decided it was time to go big. We scoped a cliff and did it. We thought it wasn't over 20 but we measured it later and it was just over 40. Flat light killed my judgement. Once I realized how big I'd gone the fear left me. I started pulling more big cliffs. I haven't done a 60 yet but my last trip out I made a 55 that I'd looked at all season. The one thing you need to understand is that its actually harder to ride away from a 20 than it is from a 50. The 50's either result in a bomb hole where you just stick or you blow through and don't slow down. One other thing is that they don't hurt if you do them right. There is a big jolt but its not a painful thing. The powder or even old crud compacts just right for a smooth slow down. Once you do a big one you'll want to do them again and again. Go for it man! Find a big rock and throw down!

Jump... It's always smaller when you look back up from the bottom.
post #4 of 27
phunk. For me it was a lot of the same things that super-mat said. Crappy snow, being tentative, etc. I began going big one winter (40+) when the snow finally got so deep I figured there was no way to get hurt. Super's right, it is actually easier to stick the slightly bigger ones. Find a deep day and use that bit of security to go a lot bigger than normal.

Nowadays I'm nursing a shoulder and beginning to take my body a little more seriously, so I've backed off quite a bit. My interest lies in teaching and terrain parks. I know the parks can do a lot of damage too... that's why I'm sort of a "fair weather" jumper. (that's a nice way to say I'm a wimp)

Biggest I ever went was about 55' in the spring of '92 at Kirkwood, CA. They had massive snow that year and Jim's Bowl was RIPE! Even at 50 feet, it felt like landing in a Foamy Gel commercial.

Spag's quote of the day:
"Heads I win, Tails you lose. Outta my way I'm comin' through..."
- Megadeth "Crush 'Em"-
(Great song for hucking the ol' meat!)
post #5 of 27
Thread Starter 
yuki, see my "PS" on the same Powdermag thread, http://forum.powdermag.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002986.html

Guess what you just won yourself?
post #6 of 27
Oooooh............. do I smell shit on MY shoes......... sometimes you walk right into it!
post #7 of 27
You will always be scared as sh!t when trying them for the first time, but as with the smaller ones they get a bit easier to do with a few tries. Also it is better to ski off the hit with a bit of speed as opposed to hop to and drop off, with a bit of momentum you can ski through it easier.
I don't know if I've hit 60' but we have done a few where I have time to think "damn I am still falling" thoes are a bit spooky, Oh yea that reminds me of another thing, as the drops get bigger you have more of a realization that youre falling, on the small ones you ski off and hit fairly quickly, as they get bigger you have time to think.
post #8 of 27
Hmmm, come to think of it I skied away from my biggest one without problem or losing speed. I haven't kept up on size since then, haven't done over 20 in a long time. You guys are getting me psyched to get back to bigger.
post #9 of 27

If we hook up this winter I'll show you some pretty good hits if you want to go hucking. But being a Pass employee you might already have found /been shown them.
post #10 of 27
Ok, I can't resist, I have to ask: Are you guys nuts, crazy, very good athletes with no sense of fear, or a combination of all of the above ? Are you using any bravery medications [ you know drugs, alcohol, etc.?] I would hope not since it would intefer with judgement and athletic performance.<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by wink (edited September 14, 2001).]</FONT>
post #11 of 27
lol wink.....as interesting as this thread is i was beginning to wonder the same thing myself.
post #12 of 27
Thread Starter 
wink's question is a fair one I'd say.

As someone who has done about 40 feet (max) so far, I'll answer from one person's perspective.

I don't ski on drugs, (but I did once and didn't like the disconnected-from-body feeling and it wasn't even a pow day.)

I'm 24, athletic, been skiing for 16 years, never broken a bone, used to be afraid of heights and I always scope out my landings before I go. I've never really had the opportunity to ski with people who go big, so I have just worked on it myself, always analyzing my landing. Did I land too far back? Was it because I was scared (yes.)? Did I make the rookie mistake of trying to slow down right before the takeoff and did that ruin my form so that my flight was awkward?

So wink, you answer my question now. What is stopping *you* from going bigger?

PS. Xscream179, obviously taking the intellectual approach, haha.<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by phUnk (edited September 14, 2001).]</FONT>
post #13 of 27
I drank and skied once on new year's eve when I was 19...never again..too connected to my body and the experience. I don't need a "burst of courage" to help me do it. Finding that in myself is the essence of the amp. Air is simply a natural progression of skiing for some people. Some people get addicted to it. the more you get away with the higher the high. Superceding simple laws of what humans can get away with is fun.

All I know is that the amp from screwing up the courage, overcoming the fear and taking a run at that unseen drop is incredible(no matter how many times you look, you still can't see it until the point of no return), especially when I am still under way when it hits. I have to pump my fist in the air and it isn't a voluntary response.

A lot of guys I ski with go way bigger than I ever will. They are athletes by virtue of their lifestyle, not profession. Some are technically good skiers, some aren't. They have taken a step beyond in overcoming the prickly sense of impending doom; taken off and landed in a different world where more things than they knew before are possible. What flows through their veins by virtue of human response is better than any controlled substance. Big air is a life-changing experience.
post #14 of 27
Hey Huckers - Don't forget that just hucking is not good enough anymore. Ya gotta trick it out. Why not? Ya got lots of time, and it seems to make it easier. So, don't forget to spin, grab, flip... Me? Only about 25', but if we have a big winter...
post #15 of 27
Uh.... yea, I like to watch that. I'll stick to the straight airs off the cliffs for now, leave the new school BC to McConkey and the like.
post #16 of 27
I'm 24, athletic, been skiing for 16 years, never broken a bone

Yep, that explains it . I am almost 40 and wink is even older I believe (forgive me wink if you are younger), so the idea of "going bigger" is simply not possible. I don't have the guts or the skill to drop 40 feet, but even if I did, my body would probably fall appart.

For example, recently I pulled a muscle because I made a very modest jump (several stairs) on my in-lines and landed less than perfect. There comes a time when self preservation is far more important than anything else.
post #17 of 27
What seperates a 20 foot cliff-dropping person from a 60+ foot cliff-dropping person?

Age and wisdom.
post #18 of 27
phUnk, you are not that far from Lake Placid, there is an 80 meter and a big jump left over from the olympics, if they haven't taken them down, that should be a thrill for you.

post #19 of 27
Probably, but no harm in going again, huh? Sounds like you could show me how to do the ones I haven't done yet. There's a guy up there that can land 50s on tele gear(not me).

Can't wait. If this were winter time I may not have even heard about Tuesday yet (slight exaggeration), but I do tend to ignore the world in the winter months.
post #20 of 27
Thread Starter 
Nice one Ott, I assume you are talking about water ramps?

I saw Chris Turpin hit the Olympic jump at the water ramps in Whistler/BC when I did High North there. He hit it about 2 mats (6 feet) from the top. You couldn't even hear what he was yelling at the big-air coach while he was up there.

He hit that thing and spun off of it and I have never witnessed anything like it in my life. I was right at the water's edge and got his see his face go from,
"I'm spinning, I'm spinning, I'm spinning!"
"I'm dead, I'm dead, I'm dead!"

I'll probably never hit that level of total-disregard-for-personal-safety.
post #21 of 27
No I meant the ski jumps in the winter. They don't call it hucking, but you must have seen ski jumping on TV sometime or other, they go down a tower ramp and fly a few hundred feet. Try it, you'll like it. Or not.

post #22 of 27
Yah, you mean Nordic jumping, like 90m or 70m jumps...known as gelande(when done on alpine gear). Utah used to have a whole gelande circuit didn't they? That is big air.
post #23 of 27
There is a huge difference between ski jumping and hucking. The big ramp jumps is more gliding just off the ground whereas cliff jumping is more free fall. The jumps are more like a going off a nice cat track at 30 mph whereas a cliff is like going up on your roof and stepping off the edge. I wouldn't recommoend trying that to compare the feelings but you get the idea. I'm 17 and I've skied for 9 years. I've become addicted to hucking. I don't feel satisfied unless I get a good huck in during my day. For a long time I couldn't figure out what it is that I enjoy... I've pin pointed it. I do it for that last moment, (those of you who've hucked know what I'm talking about), the moment where you've committed, you haven't gone off the edge yet, but if you tried to stop you'd just fall off it. That moment where the first two inches of your tips have cleared and though you haven't felt it yet you know that weightlessness is coming. That, is why I huck. Matt
post #24 of 27
Dude, if you think you are only going 30 when you hit the lip of a nordic jump, then you just haven't done it. I used to do the ski jumping event in the Wasatch tele series at Bear Hollow. Even off the 38 meter, the speed was alot scarier than the air.

i spent last year getting better at cliffs and have worked up to about 20ft, planning on 30 this year if snow cooperates and i think the nordic jumps were alot scarier.

Free your heels, poke your eyes out!
post #25 of 27
You're quite right, I've never tried it. But what I was trying to get across was the angle of the fall rather than the rush or specific speed. I couldn't say "going 70 of a cat track" cause I've never done that either. I was just showing the angle. And I hope you make your 30! Its a blast!

Jump... It's always smaller when you look back up from the bottom.
post #26 of 27
I guess the biggest ive done is about 40, but looking to get bigger. The only problem I have found is finding the right situation to drop something that big ie: snow condidions, landing, etc.Oddly, i havent had too much of a problem with getting too far back on landing, sometimes I almost feel too far forward, which isnt good, especially when the landing isnt too steep.
post #27 of 27
It all depends on the landing. (although you probably won't see me doing a 60 footer no matter what the landing) For me, the steeper, the better.
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