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New ski time (twin tip) - type/timing?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Hi everyone, I'm looking to get a pair of twin tips for the coming season. I'm looking for solid all-mountain performance without sacrificing good park performance, and I'm trying to keep it under ~$350 with bindings. (so probably used rather than new) I'm 5'9", low 160s lbs, and an expert skier overall, rising intermediate in the park.

Questions: If I wait until the start of the ski season so I can demo skis, will prices for new/used skis significantly go up? Also, any recommendations? I've been looking at these: http://www.tramdock.com/tramdock/DYN...lpine-Ski.html
and these:
http://www.backcountryoutlet.com/out...=2117609&SID=1

new, and a pair of Volkl Karmas (177cm) used, but I'm not sure how good those are in the park.

Is there 168-177cm range reasonable for me, by the way?

Last question: I've been skiing for the past few years in a pair of boots that fit me comfortably and (I think) effectively, but they're so nondescript I don't even remember who made them; they were ~$30 second-hand in a shop. I'm thinking an option is to wait until the season starts to try some other boots out, if boot demos exist, but the price question arises again. Any advice here?

Much thanks for the help.
post #2 of 14
The Dynastar TM is a great ski, the price will allow you to get a full set-up well under $350.

The Rossi is a very good ski also and the 174cm would be ideal, the price is excellent. Find a good deal on a binding like the Rossi Axial2 120 and you're golden.

The 177cm used Karmas are probably a bit long for you, not bad but not ideal.

You need new boots (you might not 'need' them as long as you don't care about performance at all). $30 from a second hand store? No WAY that they fit. You don't 'Demo' boots (well, you can... but it's STUPID), you work with a professional to get a good initial fit, then dial it in as you start to ski and the boot starts to break in.

My advice is: Buy the 174cm Rossi. get an appropriate binding. ski on the old boot until you save up enough cash to buy a good boot from a PROFESSIONAL BOOT FITTER*, don't try to cheap out on boots.


* Please respectful of the time and patience of boot fitters, don't waste their time by trying boots you fully intend to order online. You know if you're (potentially) going to make a purchase before you enter the store, don't kid yourselves...
post #3 of 14
I Think the karma is a much better ski than the TM for all-around performance. the TM might be slightly better in the pipe but thats it. Most of Volkls pro's used the karma in freestyle comps, so your good there. The karma skis very short I don't think it would be too long for you. I think its one of the best skis ever made. Absolutely agree on the boot issue, get a good pair fitted by a pro. Don't buy boots on-line, you want your boot-fitter to be your friend, he is the go to guy in your skiing arsenal.
post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your help, Whiteroom and pdxammo. I'm leaning towards the ($250) Karmas at the moment, if they're still available; if not, the Dynastars are probably my next choice, here:
http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/Dynas...ited-17809.asp
I found some in 175cm as well as 168, if that's a better size for me. I found quite a few reviews mentioning the fragility of the Rossis, so that's a minus there.

Before I take the plunge and get the Karmas, does anyone have any input?


Regarding bindings, my old skis have Tyrolia SL10s mounted on them. Are these good enough to use on whichever new skis I get, if they're even compatible? If not, when I'm looking at other bindings, does the brake width need to be greater than the waist of the ski?


As for the boots, looks like I'll get a fitted pair if I can afford it; how much would I be looking to spend at a store that presumably raises prices to compensate for the competent employees?

I've found these fitters in the Boston area:
http://www.bootfitters.com/shops/eas...d_ski_stop.htm

If anyone has other suggestions, I'd appreciate them.

Also, I take it that I won't be able to get the same bang/buck if I wait until there's snow on the ground to get equipment, does that sound about right?

Thanks for reading/responding, everyone.
post #5 of 14
I was in a similar quandry a few months ago. Used skis scare me unless I know the owners, so I ended up getting a brand new pair of K2 PEs that I found online for $225 (demoed them last season). They can still be found for around that price online. I love them all-mountain...didn't ride them in the park though.
post #6 of 14
I am guessing, but prices on last years skis will probably not go back up if you wait, but your selection will likely go down. +1 for the good deal that Sierra Jim has on the TMs, but I haven't been on them or the Karmas.

Agree with the other posters that boots with a proper fit are important, but am not 100% convinced that yours are no good. Chances are the fit could be better (most people don't count on the boot packing out and buy too big), but there is always a chance that it fits you well (and you don't have as much a worry of it packing out if it is used). I would try to examine the fit and slop early in the year and then decide if you need (and can afford) new boots- then find a professional that you can work with for the proper type of boot with the proper fit. Although many of the better fitters will want you to buy their boots, I talked recently with one of the most respected fitters on Epic and he has no problem with the customer ordering a boot he recommends online (but of course charges you for the initial consultation and modifications he makes).

Good luck
post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks for chiming in, Phil and MEfree . The K2s look good, but I couldn't find any for less than $300. Where'd you find them for so cheap, Phil? I might wait to see if the price goes down, but then I could miss out on the TMs. (The Karma seller hasn't gotten back to me so far)

As for the boots, I'm going to try to do the shell test to see how decent the fit is. If it's not too bad, I might move the new boots a bit down the priority list, although that still looks like something I need.

Oh, and does anyone know anything about my bindings questions?

Thanks, everyone.
post #8 of 14
I second whiteroom on the Dynastar Trouble Maker. Check out eBay. You can always find awesome prices there during the summer, because that is often where stores clear out inventory.
post #9 of 14
I got my PEs from REI in June...looks like they are back up to $320 now though. Cheapest I see them now is $275 from christy sports.

Can't help on the bindings, but boots are the most important piece of your gear. If you aren't sure they are fitting right, you should take them to a professional bootfitter and see what they can do.
post #10 of 14
I'm about the same size and it sounds like about the same skill level.

Try the Line Prophet 90's. Great all-mountain twin-tip (powder=fun, groomers/hardpack=good, park=good).

I believe mine are aroune 179cms.
post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 
The Karmas are still available, and look good, but now I have an offer for $150 for Line Skogen Pros (lightly used) with Rossi Scratch bindings. Has anyone used those or heard anything about them? (so many choices...)
Thanks.
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by v3rt View Post
Thanks for your help, Whiteroom and pdxammo. I'm leaning towards the ($250) Karmas at the moment, if they're still available; if not, the Dynastars are probably my next choice, here:
http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/Dynas...ited-17809.asp
I found some in 175cm as well as 168, if that's a better size for me. I found quite a few reviews mentioning the fragility of the Rossis, so that's a minus there.

Before I take the plunge and get the Karmas, does anyone have any input?


Regarding bindings, my old skis have Tyrolia SL10s mounted on them. Are these good enough to use on whichever new skis I get, if they're even compatible? If not, when I'm looking at other bindings, does the brake width need to be greater than the waist of the ski?


As for the boots, looks like I'll get a fitted pair if I can afford it; how much would I be looking to spend at a store that presumably raises prices to compensate for the competent employees?

I've found these fitters in the Boston area:
http://www.bootfitters.com/shops/eas...d_ski_stop.htm

If anyone has other suggestions, I'd appreciate them.

Also, I take it that I won't be able to get the same bang/buck if I wait until there's snow on the ground to get equipment, does that sound about right?

Thanks for reading/responding, everyone.
If you go for the TMs I would get the 175s. I weigh the same as you but I am shorter and thats what my TMs are. I wouldn't want them any shorter.
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
Whew, I finally solved the skis question and got the Skogens. (thanks for the input, Matt, these are 176) Now for the boots...I'm guessing summer's a good time to get that taken care of.
post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 
Well, I dug up my boots and they're Koflach SC3s, which even Google couldn't find much of anything about. The fit is fairly good, though, judging by the shell test and just putting them on. Would new, more precisely-fitted boots just offer a bit more performance, or would it be more than that?

Thanks for the help.
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