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Next steps for a CSIA level 1 instructor?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
Hi folks,

At the end of last season I passed my CSIA level 1. Now looking forward to next season I'd like to set out some goals. I'd like to do either a CSIA level 2, or a CSCF level 1.

Which certification of the two will be the most achievable?

Which certification of the two will most improves your skiing?

What's a fast way to meet either certification? Camps would be good - I'm planning to take a good four weeks off just to train, probably in BC. Any recommended programs?

Background: competent step 7, acquisition-level low-end/carving/ice skills, low acquisition-level mogul skills, low acquisition-level short radius turn skills.

Thanks for your input!
post #2 of 10
Both CSCF 1 and CSIA 2 are big steps up from CSIA 1.

If your evaluations were generally at the "Acquisition" level (minimum L1 standard), you'll want to spend a good amount of time (which can be more than a single season) building skills and getting lots of mileage. Any "Consolidation" level evaluations you received would be indications of moving toward the L2 standard. Some teaching experience, although not a strict prerequisite, will definitely help.

The CSCF1 skiing standard is comparable in some ways to CSIA2, but the performance requirement is higher. As a Step 7, you'll be working hard to develop strength, skill and confidence to show the speed and performance that is expected on the CSCF course. It's a very worthwhile course, and a great goal to set, but don't worry about rushing into it.

There are some good training options available out west, and you'll get the most out of them if you can get some good training at home beforehand. If you're still with the same club as last year, I would look at the IT program as a good training opportunity. (Not sure what their current policy is for bringing in new L1 instructors to ski school, but that might also be something to try.) As a CSIA member (keep your dues paid up!), you are also eligible to participate in the PD series. There are usually specific sessions for L2 prep, which is just what you would want to get some feedback on your progress and what you should work on.
post #3 of 10
On my CSCF 1 alot more emphasis was placed on getting an edge and using the ski to create more speed with minimal effort although I did not feel it was a huge step up from CSIA level 1 just more of a different focus.

As for CSIA 2 I think it was a bigger jump than the comparative one from CSIA1 to CSCF, definitely took alot more work on my skiing and I really needed the put the time in skiing wise to reach this level. Id suggest plenty ski improvement and perhaps 4 weeks of solid coaching may bring you up to the required level depending on the speed you improve-then again it may not.

You can do level 2 prep courses/mogul modules etc which are run pretty frequently my friend-check out the CSIA website for details.
post #4 of 10
Good work on your L1, it is solid start for sure.

CSCF 1 and CSIA 2 are obviously your next steps. I would suggest the skiing level for each is comparable, however the CSIA 2 will require a much higher teaching level then the CSCF 1.

Lots of good programs out west, depending on what you want to do really will determine which program is best. Some focus on just skiing, some more on teaching/skiing and some on just racing. Lots of options for various budgets.
post #5 of 10
Congrats on the level 1, always nice to see more people interested in attaining certification, whether they work as an instructor or not.

Re: CSCF 1 (aka Entry Level now) vs. CSIA 2, I'd say that the level of skill refinement is fairly similar - that is, you need roughly the same proficiency of movement for both, but the type of skiing is heavily skewed towards carving with the CSCF, whereas a CSIA 2 has a significant amount of lower end movements, as well as short radius turns. The level 2 also has much more of a teaching component.

Having said that, there's no reason that you can't achieve either (or even both if you're really ambitious) in a season of skiing, if you have enough time. My biggest suggestion is to sign up to work with a ski school. I note from your profile you ski at MSLM - Jim Morris is a great ski school director and instructor, and I'm sure that if you contacted him and let him know what you're working towards, he might be able to work something out where you can teach part time on the weekends and get in on some sessioning to help you work towards your level 2.

The other option as you suggested is camps. The only camps run in Canada during the winter that I'm aware of are Ski le Gap (Tremblant) and International Academy (Whistler and Lake Louise), but they're longer term courses (2 or 3 months at least) generally geared towards getting a CSIA level 1 and possibly level 2. There are camps available internationally during the summer/fall that offer CSIA and CSCF courses.
Check out http://myswisstrip.ca - they run a series of 1 & 2 week trips on the glacier at Zermatt, Switzerland. They do free ski training, as well as CSIA and CSCF courses. They have trips from the end of August until the end of October, but not all weeks have all the courses, so check the website. I've skied and trained with several of their coaches - all CSIA level 4s or CSCF level 3s (many with both), and they're some of the best in the country. I haven't done the trip, but based on who runs it and other people's experiences, I have no qualms highly recommending it. It would be a great opportunity to work on your skiing, and even if you don't take the course (or take it and aren't successful) you'll have undoubtedly made strong advances towards passing it in the winter.

Good luck with your quest, and let us know how it turns out!
post #6 of 10
Nonstop also do a similar program as the 3 month stated above. It may be worth a look as they run a LEVEL 2 only deal for those who have achieved their level 1's.
post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 
Wow, thanks for all the details, everyone! Sounds like there are lots of options I should consider. It sounds like the CSCF outcomes will probably make skiing in Ontario more fun (ie skiing on groomed ice), while the CSIA2 will make skiing varied terrain more fun. And that's what it's all about -making skiing more fun, and building your toolkit so you can help other people get better and have more fun as well.
post #8 of 10
You probably have the CSIA website, however, in case you don't.


They have a lot of good info on their programs along with some nice videos showing the competencies required for the various levels.
post #9 of 10
Thanks, T-square, for the link.

Newbie, here, I was wondering about those terms you guys were using, so this will help me to educate myself with the terminology.

Is there a thread here with the terminology?

Any other websites I should check out?


post #10 of 10
Never mind, I found it.
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