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post #31 of 41
I just checked and my two "higher end" Arcteryx jackets (Fission AR and Stingray" are made in Canukistan, and the two mid-range (for Arcteryx) say made in China.

Figure $400-$500 will get you an original "made in Canadia" Arcteryx (and they are fantastic.)
post #32 of 41
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Thanks Skier J,

That was exactly what I was saying. LLBean, Seirra Designs, Columbia, etc. all make serviceable clothing that WILL keep you warm and dry without breaking the bank. North Face, Marmot, Patagonia, Mountain Hardwear all make lower level clothing that works really well without all the 'features' of their high end stuff... and lastly, why do you need a new jacket? Is the old one worn out? Or are you just concerned with image?
Serviceable???: Sounds like government issue!

Hey, style and fit are important to some. (Ya didn't see Tomba in Mountain Hardware. Probably weren't in business then.

But what do expect from the land of Ferrari , where the top ski racer arrives by helicopter, shaves and has an espresso between runs! )

I can only speak for Kjus and Arcteryx and Phenix

I sprung for a Kjus jacket and pant last year. It is the JET Jacket. The stuff is incredible. Since it is all 100% stretch (both pieces) it is the most comfortable and sleekest (read non-bulky) ski apparel i have ever owned. It also has all sealed seams and waterproof zippers. the lining and the fabric help regulate body temp (this really works) I have skied in this jacket and pant when it is in the high 30's and when it was 14 degrees. Always comfortable temp. It has pit zips in the coat. Also comes with a balaclava with it's own pocket and removable hood that tucks into the collar. also numerous whistles i& bells like a zippered tethered change purse, a cell phone tether and special pocket for it, a goggle cloth on a tether, as well as a sunglass and goggle interior pocket. The exterior pockets are fleece lines and it has built in thumb/hand straps like a spped suit. it also has and adjustable waist gaiter which also snaps to the pants.

When you look at all the detail that goes into sewing this coat along with the quality fit and fabric it is no wonder it was $900.00

It has been worth every penny. So far it shows absolutly no signs of wear.

I also have 3 Arcteryx jackets that have been fabulous for thier purpose. I also wore Phenix for many many years and it was really good but has fallen off the last few years. The Phenix stuff was not nearly as expensive or as good as Kjus!
post #33 of 41
I had the chance to examine Kjus jackets last season, very nice stuff, way expensive, so I "settled" for Spyder.
post #34 of 41
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I had the chance to examine Kjus jackets last season, very nice stuff, way expensive, so I "settled" for Spyder.
No question, spyder has made some great stuff. but it just does not fit me. larges are too big & mediums too small. Also there stuff tends to be very heavy.

Also my Kjus Jacket is the JN-4 not the Jet.
post #35 of 41
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Make yourself feel better by rationalizing the child labor. If the kids didn't have a factory to work in (or cut their fingers off in) they might have to resort to prostitution. What's the lessor of two evils?
Alright, have to jump in here, even though I have not been following this and other similar threads recently.

Without knowing the native culture, the work attitude, the upbring tradition, etc. of the country, statements like this just make us Americans so arragant and yet so ignorance of other peoples. With all taboo aside (government corruption, etc.), please don't draw general conclusions unless you have already done some study or have experienced it for yourself, from outside and from within.

So, why do Chinese children work for next to nothing? Although some do it out of desparation, most work free/cheap because traditionally the people value work. So, parents start them young. Many even work without pay because that is a part of the upbringing. Much of the time, it has nothing to do with their economical/financial status.

Until most recently, most of the chinese people have not been well off, before and after communism. But, regardless of what they have in their possession, they value work (and value study just to throw it into the mix) and opportunities. Just as an example, I grew up in NYC started working when I was well below legal working age -- not because we were poor (though not rich).

Kids of Chinese decents rarely end up in prostitution or any kind of chemical dependencies (gamling OTOH is a diff story). In fact, more often than not, the more unfortunate youths are effects of mixing in with the wrong crowd and/or having exposure to the wrong side of the society/law. In fact, it's not uncommon that kids in private schools would turn gangsters or whatnot doing their mischiefs still dressed in their school uniforms.

So, you may still ask, "but, why are products so crappy coming out of China? Is it because of the cheap labor?" The answer is no. It is a misconception and the observation is invalid. Chinese products have found its way in the US for many many decades, even before the Nixon era. Quality has always ranged from poor to outstanding. One good example was all the top quality designer textiles/clothings sold in the US in the 70s through the late 90s. Almost without exception, every piece of top US brand clothing (no matter how high of quality) was made in China.

Chinese workers are hard working as you may have already known. They do whatever it takes to get work. But, they are also opportunists. Their work ethics amounts to that they will produce as good a product as the customers and their quality control would demand or as crappy a product as the market will bear.
post #36 of 41
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
No question, spyder has made some great stuff. but it just does not fit me. larges are too big & mediums too small. Also there stuff tends to be very heavy.
Spyder is never consistent with their sizes, even within the same model of clothing. Even their rep would admit to that.
post #37 of 41
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Spyder is never consistent with their sizes, even within the same model of clothing. Even their rep would admit to that.
I am in the clothing business and this is an issue with almost all manufacturers.

Spyder has been particularly off the mark in this area.
post #38 of 41
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Alright, have to jump in here, even though I have not been following this and other similar threads recently.
Chan - just to be straight, my comment was not specifically about China, and was completely a reference to a very funny song/video by Flight of the Conchords (check Youtube) called Issues a.k.a. - Think About It.

Just to be clear...I was not at ALL being serious in any way.
post #39 of 41
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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post
Chan - just to be straight, my comment was not specifically about China, and was completely a reference to a very funny song/video by Flight of the Conchords (check Youtube) called Issues a.k.a. - Think About It.

Just to be clear...I was not at ALL being serious in any way.
Yeah, I wasn't quoting you in my response, but rather the follow-up to it. A statement like using child labor to make cheap sneaker (even if it didn't come from a song) doesn't offend me as that is strictly a business greed thing (hitting close to home in the business we work in). However, saying that if it wasn't for the underage labor, the children would resort to something much worse is just derogratory towards the people and so idiotic in so many ways.

Hey, no heart feelings on our part.
post #40 of 41
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
I am in the clothing business and this is an issue with almost all manufacturers.

Spyder has been particularly off the mark in this area.
Just to add, I have never had more uncertainty with what size to buy than with Spyder products. Although their kids stuff is a bit more in line.
post #41 of 41
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Originally Posted by chanwmr View Post
Alright, have to jump in here, even though I have not been following this and other similar threads recently.

Without knowing the native culture, the work attitude, the upbring tradition, etc. of the country, statements like this just make us Americans so arragant and yet so ignorance of other peoples. So, why do Chinese children work for next to nothing? Although some do it out of desparation, most work free/cheap because traditionally the people value work
Good to know, but I never mentioned China as an example-though China is mentioned in the thread title. I only discussed child labor with regard the third world in general. American kids in rural areas have worked as hard as any for no pay at all also. Kids in suburbia have paper routes (or used to?). All I said was that factories provide income options where needed and help build infrasturcture that benifits the community
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