Originally Posted by Max_501
Bob, by active rotary I mean any intentional recruitment of muscles which are used to intentionally rotate the ski about a point somewhere along the length of the ski (forget about controlling what is is already there for a moment, and lets focus on adding more).
Are you saying that good PSIA instructors no longer teach what I've described above?
Not as I've defined it above.
Just when I thought I was out, they drag me back in!
Well Max, you must be as bored as I am....but again, giving credit where credit is due...you are truly a master of this game. But in an effort to educate....lets discuss the bolded bit above.
That is one of the biggest, and perhaps best strawmen I have ever seen. I know that you know by now, that pivoting is not just about pivoting a ski "at some point".
THE WHOLE POINT OF GOOD PIVOTING VS BAD PIVOTING IS:
1: Upper body stability through independent leg action; and
2: WHERE THAT PIVOT POINT IS!
The irony here, and my point in my first post, is that PMTS and TTS BOTH acknowledge my 2 points above...this active vs. passive point is mute. It makes no sense.
Hence the differences are subtle.....unless of course you end up with a second rate PMTS coach who fails to acknowledge point 2....in which case you end up in heel push city.......destined to substandard carving ability for all your days, until you go seek a true pro who is then forced to make you "unlearn" all this stuff you got elsewhere.
I find it very telling that you fail to acknowledge point 2 in your post...in fact deliberatley try to exclude it...it is either becuase you dont understand it....or are fully aware it is the chink in PMTS's armour. I believe it is the latter simply becuase we have discussed the importance of where the pivot point is in the past....and you acknowleged your particular forward pivot point was holding your skiing back......too bad you dont have a system that can fix that for you.
Intrestingly, if that recent video was him...HH has a forward pivot point too...as recentley shown in a recent video on here. All be it, it is not as bad as yours, but still forward none the less....it is HH biggest issue, it is also what holds his skiing back.
I have a theory from this actually. For a WC slalom skier, in HH era, a solid pivot would have been crucial to success, I have no doubt that when he was coming up through the junior ranks he copt alot of flack from his coaches and fellow athletes..."go do pivot slips" they would have said.....after years of trying to fix it, and failing, he probably said "up yours"....and kept doing his thing....of course eventually making the WC would have made him feel totally vindicated, that he was correct all along and everyone else was the idiot.
Now of course once on the WC, he had a pretty poor showing....but regardless he was there. What makes me wonder thou, is if you consider that CSIA technque certainly, and I am sure this is true, of most TTS systems are derived from past and indeed current WCers, many of whom have had far far greater success then HH, beleive pivoting is fundamental, if HH actually had good pivoting, do you think he could have been a Jean Claude Killy? or Steinmark?......he clearly had a lot of amazing ability in other areas to cover up this huge flaw. If only this flaw wasnt there. I have no doubt he tried to fix it...and lets face it, fixing it is not that hard....hence he must suffer from some biomechanical abnormality. Poor guy.