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No, I did not know he skied WC. I can not find a Bio on him. I have not skied on the WC (you knew that). Maybe WC experience means nothing unless performed at some minimum standard. I don't know for sure.

JR
http://web.mac.com/rickschnellmann/Y...hnellmann.html
post #62 of 75
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But it seems some people have a need to create a pecking order that is based on some kind of subjective evaluation of how well people rip on their skiis. This is silliness.
Silly or not it is pervasive in (judged or timed) competitive sports. The hierarchy of a cycling team (domestique to leader) is founded on a "pecking order." In every Pro Room I have worked in, most everyone knows (or has some delusion of) where they stand. In some SS work is handed out according to it.
post #63 of 75
and the coaches?
post #64 of 75
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Yes Max, I read all of the posts of this thread.
That statement contradicts your signature line.

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So you're saying this is really just a petty tit for tat thing? "he got me, so I'm gonna get him back". ???
Just pointing out that the person you are defending does much the same thing that you find so disgusting. In addition, if a person is going to pull video of others and throw it out to make some point that person should be willing to put some of their own visuals up as well.

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There was a bunch of back and forth about what max thinks the coaches on Mt Hood are teaching and what he thinks coaches all over are not teaching.
I've just reported what the racers and coaches are saying they are learning/teaching.

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This includes lack of rotary instruction.
I believe I reported on seeing some rotary type drills and at least one racer saying he was taught rotary.
post #65 of 75
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and the coaches?
In my experience- even more so. If you can show results in your kids/athletes and bring it on race day, that's better.

This may or may not be off topic but . . . In the back of my mind I can't help but think that there are some people who believe that there is no right or wrong, just about anything goes. I am just not one of them.
post #66 of 75
ego based coaching like that, is IMHO, bad. Sorry. We'll just have to differ there.
post #67 of 75
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Thank you but this is not the BIO I was looking for.
post #68 of 75
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ego based coaching like that, is IMHO, bad. Sorry. We'll just have to differ there.
No no no. Ego based coaching, what is that?
post #69 of 75
Bolter,

If you encourage a pecking order among your coaches, what is the perception by the students? Do you think they want to be with the coach that is lower on the pecking order? No, they want to be with the top guy and will respect less the lower guy. That is not the path to a productive, professional and effective teaching environment. Feel free to debate this concept with others all you want, but I'm not going to try to explain it any more than that. From my perspective you are trying to justify Max's deplorable behavior on this forum and for that I'm saddened.

Its pretty clear to me. There is no place for that kind of BS in a ski school or race coaching program and I contend that any program that does not keep that sort of thing under control will eventually have problems that are hard to deal with.

Its up to the program to ensure that every instructor or coach in the program has sufficient knowledge, experience and skill to represent the program and teach the students..at whatever level each coach is qualified to teach. Beyond that, the program should be doing everything it can to back up the credibility of their staff...either that or let the people go who are not qualified. Allowing some free-form-who's-the-biggest-bad-ass on the hill to have the most credibility is a completely stupid way to run a program. Sorry.
post #70 of 75
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Bolter,

Allowing some free-form-who's-the-biggest-bad-ass on the hill to have the most credibility is a completely stupid way to run a program. Sorry.
Wow, this is not what I am doing at all. lets skip over this. you got me all wrong, sorry.


"From my perspective you are trying to justify Max's deplorable behavior on this forum and for that I'm saddened."
Your perspective is tainted from past worries that I have nothing to do with. I am not working to free MAX. That man stands on his own. Don't lump me into that, it is not right or fair, OK Thanks.
post #71 of 75
my apologies then. :-)
post #72 of 75
Thread Starter 
Yikes, so this abomination of a thread has been opened up again. Steve, BTS, thanks for speaking on my behalf. Don't worry, I don't at all feel distressed/hurt/damaged by this silliness. I'm up to my ears in editing work right now, and just happened to catch wind of this mess while on a short break. I'll compose a post as soon as I can to attempt to salvage some value out of this thread. Ahhh,, always the optimist. It's a curse I think. The more my head hurts, the more I keep beating it against the wall.
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post #74 of 75
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Yikes, so this abomination of a thread has been opened up again. Steve, BTS, thanks for speaking on my behalf. Don't worry, I don't at all feel distressed/hurt/damaged by this silliness. I'm up to my ears in editing work right now, and just happened to catch wind of this mess while on a short break. I'll compose a post as soon as I can to attempt to salvage some value out of this thread. Ahhh,, always the optimist. It's a curse I think. The more my head hurts, the more I keep beating it against the wall.

That is the most condescending intro to an upcoming post that I can imagine.

Man, thanks for saving us from our detestable selves. Hurry, I can't wait for you to salvage this abysmal mess we have created here.

Rick, you work is never done!

OMFG!
post #75 of 75

What are race coaches teaching

As previously promised, all content in the What race coaches are teaching thread was preserved. This thread consists of the posts that went off topic when the Harald Harb video was posted and critiqued. Whether that post was fair or not, it started a series of personal and professional attacks that resulted in one member being banned, another receiving an infraction and a number of other close calls. The decision to suspend the thread was to prevent further collateral damage and indeed, attempt to be fair to all participants. I don't have a dog in the PSIA / PMTS fights that occasionally break out. I will just offer that in my opinion and that of the moderation team, the virulent personal attacks that took place in the name of defending the skier in the video posted by Rick violated the terms and conditions of the use of this site.

I'm going to leave this thread visible but closed, and hope that you can learn the difference between the defense of a principle and a personal attack designed to undermine the credibility of a person with whom you disagree in order to suppress their opinion, rather than argue disputed points of technique. Don't let this happen again.
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