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post #31 of 59
While I empathize completely with those who say "It's the SKIING , stupid!" I am nevertheless reminded that the question was "What are the top three SERVICES you desire?"

(1) Lifts that work and lifties that do their jobs right so as to avoid needless injuries etc and so the lifts don't have a lot of shutdowns for high wind or human or mechanical screw-ups.

(2) Racks over the urinals so that I have a place to put my gloves whilst evacuating my bladder - ya, I know that's more of a "facility" than a "service",but I want it.

(3) A serviceable and responsive ski patrol.

That's about it. Oh, ya, one more thing if I can have an extra: Personnel who actually can answer the phone AND answer the question I ask on the phone. I am amazed at how little staff know about their mountain and what's happ'n'n there. It's not their fault, though - management should be managing.
post #32 of 59
Thread Starter 

Great thoughts.

I agree, I'd love endless,deep powder days. But a power greater than ski area management controls that. I'm interested in what ski area management actually controls.

At anyrate, it's still snowing in Summit County. I heard on the Denver news tonight there is a possibility Copper will open Friday, a day earlier than planned. Don't go without calling the area to check or you might be [img]redface.gif[/img] .

Just in case, I think I'll haul all my gear but skis over tomorrow.
post #33 of 59
1. At least one of the following: a comfortable place to stay somewhere nearby, a shuttle service to the base area, a parking lot that doesn't fill up.

2. A warm place to dry out and warm up, with some halfway decent and healthy food to eat. Toilets are nice to have, too.

3. An open boundary policy, accompanied by a ski patrol that lets responsible people make their own decisions about where to go.
post #34 of 59
There is no phone at my mountain. There is no grooming. There are no high-speed lifts. There are no liftlines. There is no BBQ. There is no charge for parking. It is not Vail. That is a good thing.

It has terrain, trees, chutes, cornices and snow.

The only lines are the ones I choose.

I am happy.

[ October 31, 2002, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: dchan ]
post #35 of 59
Harry Morgan kicks arse too!
post #36 of 59
Very Interesting.

We have two camps, and I am firmly in only one.

Perhaps the question could be posed.

Of the experiences you would be willing to pay for at a ski area, which should be supplied through "resort services"?

As I have mentioned before, I had given up on the notion that the "Mountain Resort" had anything to "sell" to me.
The experiences I want are without (beyond) a price tag. 'Certainly beyond "management" control.

I do like it when the "Mid Mountain Restaurant" has a micro wave and a great condiment bar, so I can put together a good hot "condiment soup" to go along wiht my PB&J lunch!

post #37 of 59
Ok all,

Enough bashing of people with differing opinions.

State your opinions about resorts but it's no reason to tell others their opinion or choice is wrong.
post #38 of 59
but what if they ARE wrong, dchan?

sorry, just kidding. the "resort" mentality is wrong TO ME, but I don't need to kill all the yuppies... ...just the ones who like resorts!

heh heh heh
post #39 of 59
It's all about terain and nightlife. Ski hard during the day and rip it up at the clubs at night. You can always catch up on your sleep when you are dead.
post #40 of 59
In my younger years all I was concerned about was a solid icy surface for the race course so that I wasn't in ruts up to my knees by the time I ran the course [img]smile.gif[/img] Now that I am devoting my ski time to my little boys my perspective has changed considerably.

We had a great experience at Snowmass last January. We were in Aspen visiting friends and decided to try the daycare program at Snowmass so that my wife and I could have a day of skiing together. Our son was 3.5 years old at the time and I hadn't been able to get him to put on his boots at home, but he had a wonderful experience discovering skiing for his first time with fellow classmates at Snowmass. After that experience we enjoyed 15 days at Eldora and I never had to fight to get him into his gear. He talked about his Snowmass instructor all season. So, the quality of ski school at the daycare level was wonderful -- taking the kids out 3 times a day for about 30 minutes just to allow the kids to get a taste.

Also, Snowmass gave us a telephone number that we could use from phones located all over the mountain. Every couple of hours we called in to see how he was doing. Too bad other parents didn't do this -- there was one child screaming for her parents all day but her parents never checked up on her.

Also at Snowmass, when we first arrived we were cutting it close to the check-in time. We got into the regular ski school ticket line which was quite long. We fortunately asked one of the Snowmass Ambassadors if we were in the right place. He told us no and then escorted us to the right place. This ambassador service was WONDERFUL.

Now for our local area, Eldora. We decided to make Eldora our regular area because it is only 90 minutes from Fort Collins, we avoid the I-70 corridor, and it is family oriented. The latter is most important to us, as we are using this area as the intro ski area for our children. My 3.5 year-old loved skiing through Eldora's Fort Fun last year. He loved going around the gates with the animal heads on the top of each pole, and he loved skiing under the banners hanging from gates. It is great that Eldora had these attractions set up on week days and weekends, and that they were not in an area restricted to only the ski school. If Rusty Guy reads this, please tell the big wigs at Eldora to keep up the good work for kids!!

As for my personal tastes when I'm skiing free of kids, I have been very impressed with access to extreme areas which used to be out of bounds, e.g. Jackson Hole and Crested Butte.
post #41 of 59
He loved going around the gates with the animal heads on the top of each pole

this is what ski resorts are all about


Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #42 of 59
No children
No other men
No ugly women
No fussy women
No clingy women
No women who can't give a good backrub/legrub/oh, OK, full body massage

Apart from that, I don't mind.

But: Give me a sunny day, a beautiful woman, my skis and a snow covered mountain, and you can keep the sunny day and the woman. I'm off skiing.

post #43 of 59
Originally posted by DaPlague:
Ski hard during the day and rip it up at the clubs at night. You can always catch up on your sleep when you are dead.
For those of us more than half way to dead, sleeping is not optional.
post #44 of 59
It's better to wear out than rust.
post #45 of 59
OMG I agree with Gonzo on something. :

Count me in the anti-resort crowd. The less they do to the mountain the better. The less they do for ME the better - I don't want fake smiling lifties and $15 lattes. They should only groom when it's icy .. not after it snows. I can't stand waking up after a storm, racing to the hill, and having everything groomed out. Give me a good patrol, good people who want to rip, and some nice weather once in awhile.

Honestly I am happy the Vail's and Deer Valley's exist, as it lessens the amount of high society traffic at other areas. (Not generalizing all the people who like resorts in this group - just a certain type of person). My home mountain is a "resort" and the lift rides can be brutal with some of the conversations I hear.

Edit.. before Dchan deletes me had to fix some wording.

[ November 01, 2002, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: Llama ]
post #46 of 59
All this resort bashing is funny. But for many of us resorts are the only place we get to experience a real mountain. It would be crazy to fly out West to ski for 10 days on a mountain that has slow lifts and no amenities.

So I have to like resorts. I can do without the fancy Disney stuff, but unfortunately it comes with the territory.
post #47 of 59

posted October 31, 2002 06:46 PM
In my younger years all I was concerned about was a solid icy surface for the race course so that I wasn't in ruts up to my knees by the time I ran the course Now that I am devoting my ski time to my little boys my perspective has changed considerably.
At last a post by someone with children instead of a bunch of posts by children. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Hey, when I was young all I needed was a mountain of snow, fun terrain, and a rousing party to get smashed and, perhaps, score a bed partner. Now that I'm not into an all day hang over and sexually transmitted diseases; the mountain, snow, steeps, and trees are still a must. Deep powder would be great too but, all of this should be a given.

For those of us stupid enough to procreate and thereby sacrificing our freedom; good day care and kids ski school programs are a must. Instructors that want to teach kids would be ideal but instructor who can fake it well are acceptable, as long as there is a lot of fun, fun, fun. As any resort owner should know, happy kids = happy parents = happy customers = profitable resorts for all of you spoiled purist to play in so they can ridicule those of us dumb enough to introduce the next generation to the sport. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Some reasonable priced healthy food would be nice and an area for those of us who must brown bag it would be an unexpected surprise. All other amenities do not matter because after I pay for the travel, lodging, lift tickets and ski school, I'm tapped out. I’m not a yuppie, I'm not a professional, I'm not wealthy, I'm not a snow pro that skis for free. I'm just a working stiff with just enough time and money to get my fix and addict my kids.
post #48 of 59
Altagirl and Altaskier
What's Alta like? I thought that it was a resort. Do you live there or live someplace else (SLC) and commute to ski. How does it compare to Montana or Washington ski areas in terms of resorti-ness. I don't have a frame of reference for it.

I thought you were a yuppie lawyer! Is that why not all yuppies have to die?

While in Crested Butte a few years ago, I was asked by a local businessman "How do you like our little unspoiled Western town?". Which I thought was a ridiculus question, I had just driven into town from Bozeman Montana, and Crested Butte seemed like the gaudiest tourist trap ever. The businessman was honest in his belief that the town wasn't spoiled because he was comparing Crested Butte to Aspen or Vail.
post #49 of 59
Nord, I'm a lawyer but not even close to a yuppie. I hate using cell phones. I drive a bare-bones pickup truck. I am not comfortable in a big city. I don't like wearing a tie, much less a suit. I don't wait for the next Hammacher-Schlemmer catalog to arrive to advise me what toys I need next. I don't care whether people find me to resemble Gordon Gekko, and in fact, if someone did, I would wonder about his/her vision! I don't "do lunch" and I surely don't "have your people call my people." So, I don't qualify for the yuppie state of mind or behavior

As to the literal acronym, Young Urban Professional, I guess I qualify for professional, but neither young nor urban.

I don't drive a Jeep Cherokee Chief, and don't have 1.4 kids and a black labrador named Biff.

My wife will never be a soccer mom. I will never be an absentee father who thinks that providing $$ is good enough.

I drink beer, not vodka. I never went to a "martini bar" or a "cigar bar." I don't like "smooth jazz" or Windham Hill. I think "blush" and zinfandel wines suck arse. I am not interested in the Club. I don't think "limousine liberals" are okay -- I think they're hypocrites. I wouldn't vote for any GOP candidate for the White House from the past 40 years, at least.

Now, what was all that tripe from Spring Hill Cruiser about his overpowering sense of guilt at having children? And that comment about the rest of us being children? Projection, projection, projection.

Welcome, SprgHlCrzr. Please don't attempt soothsaying again, you're lousy at it!
post #50 of 59
First, the place I ski most calls itself a resort, though I would call it a ski area as it has no onsite ammenties past High Speed Lifts and a Base Lodge.

Things I want most:

When snow is crappy (ice, crud, etc) I want to see a nice variety of the runs groomed.

Comfortable Lifts. I am fine on a slow a$$ riblet double chair, but please, put some nice cushions on it. As long as I dont lose circulation on the way up, I am good. I do not enjoy 12 minutes on seats which are plywood covered by a strip of leather.

Moderately Priced food or Microwaves available to heat your own. I want to be able to buy myself lunch for 5bux. Something hot that will fill me up. If I have to pay any more than 5 dollars, it better be really freaking good.

Open boundaries. I want to be able to judge conditions myself, and be responsible for myself. I dont want to be fined $500 for hiking or skiing out of bounds. If I know the area, I dont see why I cant ski it at my own risk.

Efficient lift loading. I hate seeing quads go up with 2 people on them when I am behind a crowd of 100 people in line. With this also comes spreading the crowds. I understand that there will be larger crowds on the base lift, but ski areas should try to spread out the crowds. IE - put a terrain park on a lift that is usually uncrowded to spread crowds to different areas.

I think that is it.

post #51 of 59
Let me see. How should I classify myself? I am a Middle Aged Rural Mom Of Teenagers. A MARMOT. Anyway...

I liked the place that had free daycare for kids up to age 5.

I liked the place where the lift operators gave me a shoulder rub while waiting for the chair to round the bullwheel.

I like it when the ski area provides lots of water fountains and restrooms.

I like there to be blow dryers in the restrooms.

I like to be able to leave my skis outside the lodge when I go in for lunch and have them there when I return.

I like a place where most of the people on the hill can really ski. It makes the lo-o-ong, painful Riblet rides more pleasurable to watch good skiers.

I like the new non-slip flooring they're putting in lodges these days.

I like the lattes and big blueberry muffins. Put SoBes in the cooler please.

I like a place where skiers stop to remove a hazard from the middle of the run when they notice one.

Most of all, I like a place where the people know your name.

Cheers and I hope wherever you ski you enjoy every day and give thanks for being lucky enough, smart enough, and fit enough to do it.
post #52 of 59
Nolo kicks arse!
post #53 of 59
I'm getting a bit concerned at the amount of arse kicking going on here.
While many people may be expressing good points, it does not mean that they are nasty people.
Also when did the word arse become valid around here? I thought everyone one talked about ASS not ARSE.

post #54 of 59
There is something wrong with the notion that you have to like the simple things in life in order to qualify as a person who "kicks arse". This thread definitely seems to imply that, unless I am reading this wrong. :

I respect people like gonzo, who combine a superior education with a simpler life. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] I admit that I am the opposite of gonzo, in that I like relatively expensive cars, nice houses and vacations at nice resorts. Remember that I come from a poor communist country and arrived in Canada with nothing. I worked hard to get an education and I am fortunate to have a nice job. I have no intention to work as hard as I do and not enjoy life. I may be overcompensation for what I did not have as a young man, but I make no excuses for it either.

In the end "kicking arse" is very relative. To me kicking arse is having the ability to combine a career with a fulfilling personal life. Giving up either one or the other is what I consider the easy way out. Show me a successful business person that is in good shape and makes time for his/her personal life (sports, hobbies, family, etc) and I will show you a well rounded person who kicks arse too! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #55 of 59
I always thought that kicking arse involved taking your toe, and placing with a reasonable amount of force in the rectum area of another person, normally because you disagreed with them, whereas the implication seems to be now that it is good to kick people. Is this correct? Is this part of the US constitution that I haven't read yet?

post #56 of 59
Point taken. I agree with nolo. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #57 of 59
SprHlCrz = :
post #58 of 59
Originally NOT posted by nolo:
1. I liked the place that had free daycare for kids up to age 25.

2. I like the place where the bar staff give me a shoulder rub while waiting for the next round. (Longhorn)

3. I like it when the ski area provides lots of bars and ground level restrooms.

4. I like to be able to leave my skis outside the bar when I go in for lunch and have them there when I leave the next morning.

5. I like the new non-slip flooring they're putting in bars these days.

6. I like a place where skiers stop to remove me from the middle of the bar area when they step over me.

7. Most of all, I like a place where the people know my poison.
Nolo, for the sake of safety, could I change your first point to 23?

post #59 of 59
Here's the deal. You need to spend time at the resorts to get good. The resorts have pros who can help and lifts that increase time on task. But once you get good, you don't have to ski at resorts anymore. Get yourself some climbing skins, avvy gear, and a snowmachine and get into the BC.

Resorts, or if you prefer ski areas please substitute, are like parks, green zones, and other artifices that place nature in an urban setting or urban amenities in a natural setting. If you want the Real Deal, it won't cost you a lift ticket, but it'll cost you a significant chunk of change to outfit yourself properly. You then can crow to others about the relative authenticity of your passion vis a vis those pampered bastards who do the--sneer--lift served skiing.

Been there, done that! Enjoying resort skiing does not disqualify a person's passion for the sport or ipso facto deny them a place in the CORE. There are plenty of hard core skiers buying lift tickets, eating de foie gras, and sleeping on pillowtop mattresses under fluffy featherbeds slopeside.

Reverse snobbery is still snobbery. I look down my nose at it.
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