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How to unmount(uninstall) Marker M51

post #1 of 30
6/30/08 at 6:34am
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Hi,
I have Marker M1 SC bindings mounted to old skies and would like to mount them to my new ones. I'll have ski shop to do mounting, but want to take bindins out by myself. I cannot figure out how to take toe piece out.
There are no visible screws. Plesase advice.
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post #2 of 30
6/30/08 at 7:18am
There is a snap-in plastic cover plate just underneath where the boot toe goes, pry this out with a screwdriver.

There are two screws just underneath this. Remove them.

Slide the toepiece back towards the heel. Lift up.

This will expose the fat post screw and the SC hardware.

Have fun.
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post #3 of 30
6/30/08 at 7:47am
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Thanks - will try tonight
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post #4 of 30
6/30/08 at 8:42am
I would strongly suggest reconsidering the re-use of that binding.
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post #5 of 30
6/30/08 at 9:10am
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Why?
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post #6 of 30
6/30/08 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by bkhw77 View Post
Why?
Heavy binding with clunky functionality even when it passes release tests.

The SC function is a hyper-engineered kludge that worked in '97 but skis don't need now.

Gobs of binding ramp. No fat brakes (read: no fit skis over 71mm with any sort of sidecut).

It's only current value is in the geeky 3D puzzle nature of it.
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post #7 of 30
6/30/08 at 9:28am
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OK. I also have Salomon S710 and S912.
Do you think any of those better?
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post #8 of 30
6/30/08 at 9:29am
The Marker Heel pieces make good door knockers!
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post #9 of 30
6/30/08 at 9:30am
Either should still work; use the 912 if you're over 150lbs.

Sorry, that was badly phrased, should read: use the 912 unless you are explicitly looking for a light ski.


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Originally Posted by Johnnys Zoo View Post
The Marker Heel pieces make good door knockers!
How many doors you got?
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post #10 of 30
6/30/08 at 9:54am
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OK. I have to take them (912) of the skies also.
Any suggestions?
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post #11 of 30
6/30/08 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by bkhw77 View Post
OK. I have to take them (912) of the skies also.
Any suggestions?
I would just take the old skis to the shop.
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post #12 of 30
6/30/08 at 11:28am
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Thanks
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post #13 of 30
6/30/08 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
Either should still work; use the 912 if you're over 150lbs.
Sorry, that was badly phrased, should read: use the 912 unless you are explicitly looking for a light ski.

How many doors you got?
Ummm... 5 and 2 more if you count the garage!

Don't really know why I keep these? Because I'm an accumulator!

The grey pieces come off, exposes the toe screws. Hope these pics help. Use the newer bindings though!



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post #14 of 30
6/30/08 at 7:10pm
Step 4: Toss in trash.
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post #15 of 30
7/1/08 at 4:20am
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Originally Posted by Johnnys Zoo View Post
The grey pieces come off, exposes the toe screws. Hope these pics help. Use the newer bindings though!

Hmmm, interesting. I think he might have the ones where there is no large fat, obvious screw on the grey SC tab; the tab has to be pried up ~3mm from the back edge where the "thumb print" is, then pried heelwards to expose the diagonally-slotted rubber block.

That diagonally slotted rubber block (that locks in front to back distance over fractions of mm) is why I like the binding: someone was playing modulo math over at Marker to have designed it.

Compare that to the Tyrolia designs where you have to cut or snap off the plastic, this is much more, umm, refined. In a drinking Cosmos with pinkies up way.
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post #16 of 30
7/1/08 at 5:22am
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My ones look different - will post pics tomorrow.
BTW- Salomon 912 is not much lighter if at all. They look pretty bulky and heavy...
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post #17 of 30
7/1/08 at 5:58am
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Originally Posted by bkhw77 View Post
My ones look different - will post pics tomorrow.
Do yours have the leopard-spotted rails or the faux-carbon-weave flash?

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BTW- Salomon 912 is not much lighter if at all. They look pretty bulky and heavy...
Yes, but: all that weight is in parts you'll actually use.
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post #18 of 30
7/1/08 at 6:19am
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Do yours have the leopard-spotted rails or the faux-carbon-weave flash? - Yes I do.
Is it bad or good?
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post #19 of 30
7/1/08 at 6:30am
Neither bad nor good, it's just that that honking center screw is replaced by the hidden rubber block assembly I mentioned earlier.

Post the pics anyway?
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post #20 of 30
7/1/08 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
...hyper-engineered kludge that worked in '97 but skis don't need now...

Isn't that true of all alpine bindings?
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post #21 of 30
7/2/08 at 6:03am
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I was able to take toe piece out (still no visible screws).
Actually I has to turn it counterclockwize.
Nex step is taking platform - I guess it has to be pried somehow.
Sorry, cannot post pics - You may not post attachments
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post #22 of 30
7/2/08 at 8:21am
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Sorry, cannot post pics - You may not post attachments
It is a supporter privilege. Members can become supporters or link to other images on the web?
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post #23 of 30
7/2/08 at 8:54am
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post #24 of 30
7/2/08 at 1:03pm
Yes, it works. Decent Rossis, back in the day.
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post #25 of 30
7/2/08 at 1:15pm
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Thanks - will try tonight. How old you think the skies are? I inherited them from the friend and they are too long for me anyway.
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post #26 of 30
7/2/08 at 1:29pm
~'98

How long are they and how big are you?
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post #27 of 30
7/2/08 at 10:30pm
If the skis are too long for you and the bindings are really out of date, let alone not a good binding to start off with..why bother?
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post #28 of 30
7/3/08 at 6:02am
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Finally success!!
I dont't think I am going to use them anyway,
I guess I am just stubborn and wanted to get it done more out of curiosity.
I am 5'9" and about 165 lb. I've got pretty basic new Salomon Scramblers (160 cm) to ski with 8 y.o twins on the bunny slops and don't want to spend a fortune.
Now it is between Salomon S710 and S912 - latter has to be taken from other skies...

Thank you all.
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post #29 of 30
7/3/08 at 4:39pm
There is nothing wrong with those Markers. My friend used a similar Marker SC binding for years without a problem. He would even change the setting depending on conditions. The Salomons may be better, but the Markers aren't bad binders.
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post #30 of 30
7/6/08 at 5:08am
Those markers, or the demo version, were almost the only binding that was ever mounted to mid-range Volants.

Which is a shame, really, as that made a very light ski into a proto-Metron and turned off any number of smaller-sized or smaller-muscled skiers.

It was a decent binding for skis like the old Volkl p30RC, (particularly when skied long, e.g. 190-198cmish for 180lbers), which still had a fair bit of wooden plank in front of the toe that needed a good bit of pressure to keep it in the ice ruts and general mank. I had it for years on a pair of 205cm P10RS supers, and it was superb on those, much better than the original M46-toed MRRs. Damper skis like the K2 El Camino/Olin DTSL didn't need SC imo, and (again, imo) the SC function was made obsolete when Volkl put out EnergY (~'99).
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