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A good all mountain ski.

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I bought a pair of twintips last year and I love them. I did find my self missing my old rossis a little bit sometimes though. So I was wondering what would be a great all mountain, fast ski. I live in New England so grip on ice would be nice. Also I am really thin. I am about 6'0 120 pounds and a guy. I know pathetic, but i cant seem to gain weight.. I am a fairly advance skier. Well anyway can't wait for all the suggestions.
post #2 of 16
Mantra. It's a great do it all stick with excellent edge grip. If you're 120, I'd probably go with the 177... or even the 170. I'm 165 and am on 177s.
post #3 of 16

All Mountain ski with edge hold

I am a female skier, 125 lbs who was on a Volkl SL Race Tiger who was looking for an "All Mountain" ski - in my case feeling I needed something softer in the shovel for a better all mountain capacity but not wanting to compromise the edge hold that I was used to with a race oriented ski. I eneded up going to Volkl's AC 40 and have loved them. I ski at Jay Peak, VT where we can have our share of powder but also ice. On a warm spring day, thinking I'd be in crud, I went into a area that was bumpy and also very hard pack and I do not think my Tigers, that were a few years old would have held any better on the Hard Pack/Ice. The AC 40s were better in managing in the unpredicatbale and bumps! Now, I hear that the AC 40's as we know them has ended and Volkl is putting out an AC 50 that is wider so do not know what that ski will be like but there may be some 40s still around that are worth consideration.

Hope this helps- Jan
post #4 of 16
This has been asked here literally hundreds of times. Use the search function which you can find up near the top of the page, or just browse through past pages of the gear forum and you'll find plenty within a few minutes.
post #5 of 16
keep in mind that one person's definition of a "good all-mountain" ski is gonna differ drastically from anothers.

also keep in mind that quite a lot of folks frown upon the catch-all term "all-mountain" ski.

1. if you are a competent skier then you should be able to turn any ski into an all-mountain ski
2. no ski will ski the whole mountain...each ski tends to excel in different areas. but if you re-visit #1 above, it shouldn't matter.
3. everybody's idea of an all-mountain ski will differ. for example i use a Lib-Tech NAS Freeride (93/99mm alternating underfoot) as my every day ski. Some on this forum will advocate skinnier planks (in the 78mm - 90mm range) as good for all-mountain. Others will advocate fatter planks (in the 90mm - 100mm range). No one will be absolutely right or wrong in their suggestions as they are the right ski for the person in question.

That said, some skis that tend to pop up as good "all-mountain" skis are:

The PMGear Bro (I have a number of friends who ride this every day and then have a super fat pair of skis for deep pow days).

K2 Public Enemy

AK King Salmon (this was my every day ski before the Lib Tech)

Rossignol B3/B4

Volkl Gotama and the aforementioned Mantra

And of course the Lib-Tech NAS Freeride (or you could try their park ski, which has a mid-80's footprint).

Again, you might want to consult some of the gear guides (SKI Magazine, Skiing, SkiPress, Powder, etc) for additional material, as well as Realskiers online.

Best of luck,

and as Maggot suggested, use the "Search" function. That's what it's there for.

post #6 of 16
Head SS Magnum 170cm.
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Head SS Magnum 170cm.
I'd like a pair of those myself
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atomic metron b5's. since i got them I haven't pullled out my gs9's, my sl 11's, or my sx b5's once! they are amazing.
post #9 of 16
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Head SS Magnum 170cm.
This is what I would suggest, too. It's not an all mountain ski, but for the EC it would be a hell of a choice.

I would like to know which twin tip you pruchased?

Also, MAGGOT, I see this request as somewhat unique. He's tall and trim. Some of the recommendations so far are too burly.
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I would like to know which twin tip you pruchased?

Also, , I see this request as somewhat unique. He's tall and trim. Some of the recommendations so far are too burly.

"Tall and Trim" - He is a match stick! But you are exactly right - very light for his height and would be useful to know what twin tip he has and likes.

For my $0.02 IMHO grip on ice (unless you are on some completely inappropriate skied out noodle) is more about edge angle, good technique and being balanced than any particular ski. Most well tuned modern skis with an apporpriate edge angle can handle ice quite easily (under said well balanced skier with good technique).
post #11 of 16
Read up on the Movement Thunders in a 177. This ski has incredible edge hold and is my daily ski. I love my Thunders more than any Volkl I ever had and I was a volkl guy until I tried these.

Edit: BTW, try a cheeseburger for lunch and chips and salsa with a 6 pack of Sam Adams for dinner. You will put on some weight. Trust me
post #12 of 16
What are the all-mountain conditions on your mountain? That's bound to be different from my mountain or one of the Rocky Mountains. What conditions do you want to handle with excellent ski performance, and what conditions happen so rarely that you don't need a ski that is great then but gives up something else you need more?

For a 120# skier, I think the recommendations of 170 & 177 cm skis are going to be way too stiff. You need a ski that flexes enough so it performs the way the ski designer intended. Skis get proportionally stiffer as they get longer. The energy to flex the ski comes from the skier's weight (and somewhat their height), the skier's speed, and the skier's skill. For a rule of thumb, demo several lengths of the same top-line ski. Find whether the ski that comes alive for you is one size below the top, or two sizes down, or whatever. Use that as a general rule. In my case, I usually like skis one size below their max...the max is for the bigger, heavier, higher-energy skier, not me.

The Head SS Mag is a great recommendation, but not 170 cm for a 120# skier.

About ice hold...I somewhat disagree with Andrew. Some skis have a great grip on ice, and other skis, with the same skier and equally excellent tune, aren't made for that ice grip. All skis are a compromise. None are excellent everywhere, even with an excellent skier and excellent state of tune. Buy the skis that do the best on the conditions you have the most often.
post #13 of 16
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For my $0.02 IMHO grip on ice (unless you are on some completely inappropriate skied out noodle) is more about edge angle, good technique and being balanced than any particular ski... (under said well balanced skier with good technique).
Exactly, that's why the ski is so important to me (and many).

I can tell you that my Nordica Top Fuel grips on ice way better than say the Karma. This is especially true when you add speed.
post #14 of 16
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For a 120# skier, I think the recommendations of 170 & 177 cm skis are going to be way too stiff. You need a ski that flexes enough so it performs the way the ski designer intended.

The Head SS Mag is a great recommendation, but not 170 cm for a 120# skier.
I am no expert on equipment, but I think the Mag would be perfect in a 170 for Mr Fanatic. Although he may be light, leverage does matter. The question is one of strength and leverage as well as weight. The Head SS Mag is supple and it's easy to ski relative to the performance it yields.
post #15 of 16
Head super shape or super shape speed in a 165, not the SS Magnum. I compared these three skis back to back, and the Magnum gets blown away by the other two.
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Head super shape or super shape speed in a 165, not the SS Magnum. I compared these three skis back to back, and the Magnum gets blown away by the other two.
I can see how this would be the case, however for this skier's abiltiy, weight and the all mountain criteria, the SS Mag is worth a close look. It's fluid, not too stiff, light, and very high performance.
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