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I'm tired of it

post #1 of 39
6/24/08 at 6:32pm
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Tired of talking about ILE.

Seems I end up doing it all the time, and I'm not sure how it happens. One would think that's all I think about, or teach. I guess it's because there are still so many misconceptions about it. Different types of transitions get brought up during the course of various conversations, ILE inevitably gets mentioned, and the confusion starts to rain cats and dogs. Old misunderstandings are pesky and hard to die, so in I jump, once again, to try to pound the wooden stake into the chest of those lingering misconceptions.

But dang it all, like a phoenix they just keep springing back to life. It's like that gopher carnival game. One jumps out of it's hole,,, you bash it on the head with your club and knock it back down in it's hole,,, then two more jump out of other holes. You bash and bash and bash, and they just keep popping back up at you.

Oh how did I get shouldered with this endless burden of rodent riddance? There's so many other critters that roam the slopes of the sport to talk about, and here I am overrun by gophers.
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post #2 of 39
6/24/08 at 6:53pm

Hello

Rick are the Rick I skied with for about 10 min @ Mt Rose two seasons ago?

If so I just want to say, I like the way you ski, I like and agree with what you post in these (HOW ITS DONE) threads
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post #3 of 39
6/24/08 at 7:33pm
I find that sometimes when folks realizes their inside leg is extending during transition they automatically spring to the conclusion that they are doing ILE.

By that logic any old-school up and around becomes misinterpreted as ILE.

I also find that it is ego/arrogance that causes folks to jump to the conclusion that they "know" ILE; they must be right about it since they have the creds.
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post #4 of 39
6/24/08 at 11:40pm
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Originally Posted by MTT View Post
Rick are the Rick I skied with for about 10 min @ Mt Rose two seasons ago?

If so I just want to say, I like the way you ski, I like and agree with what you post in these (HOW ITS DONE) threads
No, MTT, afraid it must have been a different Rick. But thanks for the on my contributions here. Much appreciated.
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post #5 of 39
6/25/08 at 6:01am
Keep on keepin on Rick. People listen to what you have to say whether you know it or not. The silent majority who lurk here and don't post take what you post and use it on the hill.

Your participation here has brought forth quality information and forced the hands of posers who no longer try to force their veiws and miss information on those who rely on these threads for instruction tips they can take to the hill.

Thankyou.
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post #6 of 39
6/25/08 at 6:37am
I have been skiing for over 40y but only as late as a few years ago I became aware of ILE/OLF here at epic and on other sites. Ive asked our race coaches about the consept but here in our part of the world it is totally unknown. Not even a famous WC coach knew about it when I asked him this spring. Why is that?
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post #7 of 39
6/25/08 at 7:21am
I learn a lot from your postings lately. I believe like many others, your postings helps us to understand skiing.
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post #8 of 39
6/25/08 at 7:47am
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Originally Posted by Rick View Post
Tired of talking about ILE.
Really easy solution to that.
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post #9 of 39
6/25/08 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by Lars View Post
Keep on keepin on Rick. People listen to what you have to say whether you know it or not. The silent majority who lurk here and don't post take what you post and use it on the hill.

Your participation here has brought forth quality information and forced the hands of posers who no longer try to force their veiws and miss information on those who rely on these threads for instruction tips they can take to the hill.

Thankyou.
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Originally Posted by carver hk
I learn a lot from your postings lately. I believe like many others, your postings helps us to understand skiing.
Thank you, guys. Very much. I'll keep pluggin.
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post #10 of 39
6/25/08 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
I have been skiing for over 40y but only as late as a few years ago I became aware of ILE/OLF here at epic and on other sites. Ive asked our race coaches about the consept but here in our part of the world it is totally unknown. Not even a famous WC coach knew about it when I asked him this spring. Why is that?
Perhaps nomenclature? The ILE name may not be as widely known as the process/technique.
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post #11 of 39
6/25/08 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by MilesB View Post
Really easy solution to that.
Yeah, I'm sure there are some camps jumping for joy today.

"about time he shut up about that"
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post #12 of 39
6/25/08 at 11:04am
What is this new ILE stuff?
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post #13 of 39
6/25/08 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by Lars View Post
The silent majority who lurk here and don't post take what you post and use it on the hill.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly as I'm part of that majority. I often find the technique forums difficult to stomach but I always look forward to reading what you have to say Rick. Your participation here is greatly appreciated. Thank you
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post #14 of 39
6/25/08 at 2:43pm
I skied for decades, without even thinking about exactly how I applied forces to my edges and bases. I think some people approaching from the opposite end of the spectrum may be trying too hard to make the movements, which will lead to misconceptions. Your expositions on ILE have proven a fascinating voyage of discovery for me. It really does get better when you know what you're doing. As the man said, "Keep on keeping on."

BTW, you may be repeating yourself, but you are not always speaking to the same audience.
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post #15 of 39
6/25/08 at 5:02pm
I have no idea what ILE is but when I form my misconceptions about it, I'll post them here and I'm counting on Rick to explain it to me. Thanks fastman.
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post #16 of 39
6/25/08 at 10:49pm
I'd like to register my thanks as well, Rick.

It may be frustrating for you, but lots of us appreciate your efforts to encourage broad-based skiing skills.

I hope you're keep at it.
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post #17 of 39
6/25/08 at 11:14pm
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Bumpfreaq, Ghost, Telerod, Bob,,, Thanks guys.

This thread has kind of choked me up. I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed by all the kind sentiments.

Yeah,,, I'll keep it up. Ghost, you're right about repeating to new audiences. It does carry value.
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post #18 of 39
6/26/08 at 6:12am
Chiming in late but I'd like to throw in my appreciation as well. Rick, you speak sincerely from your long experiences in skiing. That's worth a great deal, especially as you engage others without an added tone of authority that often shows up around here. You write well, and enough to explain yourself without writing volumes in an attempt to validate yourself.

I may not agree with your take on everything but I really like hearing your point of view and get very engaged trying to fit and adjust the concepts you talk about into my own conceptions about skiing movements. That's a sign to me that you are VERY effective.
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post #19 of 39
6/26/08 at 7:10am
Continuing with the love fest hijack of this thread -

I too read what you write with the most focus and trust possible.

If I was out west regularly i would definitely look to have you coach me - and all this just from typings on a keyboard!
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post #20 of 39
6/26/08 at 7:42am
Group hug!!!!
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post #21 of 39
6/26/08 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by bumpfreaq View Post
Group hug!!!!
Not unless TC is in there somewhere Bumper.:

I guess it was me who hijacked the thread, sorry. However, I remember a lift ride or two with Rick emploring him to become more active in this part of the forums. It's been needed for a long time and has brought an air of professionalism and integrity here that was lacking.

There is no one I respect more at Epic Ski. If I needed to fix some part of my skiing, he'd be the one I'd go to.
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post #22 of 39
6/26/08 at 8:23am
ILE = Inside Leg Extension?
OLE = Outside Leg F????????

can you direct us to an explanation of the technique and debate please?
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post #23 of 39
6/26/08 at 12:32pm
OLR is the correct acronym.
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post #24 of 39
6/26/08 at 12:49pm
Puttin' down my paint brush just long enough to say, Rick, you're one of the few here I (a) read and (b) attempt to understand. I don't always understand but I'll keep tryin' and, more important, tryin' it on the hill. Thanks for being so patient and helpful!
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post #25 of 39
6/26/08 at 6:40pm
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Thanks, everyone. This has been truly humbling. I had no idea.
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post #26 of 39
6/26/08 at 7:00pm
Rick,

A little late, but a I also agree with Lars and others above who find that your contributions add a lot of value to this site. Thanks.
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post #27 of 39
6/26/08 at 8:43pm
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Thanks, everyone. This has been truly humbling. I had no idea.
Really ? No idea ? You are a compass. We seek to understand and find ourselves a bit lost sometimes and you help us find a good path . Your time with us is never wasted. Thanks for your time and energy
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post #28 of 39
6/28/08 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by MTT View Post
Rick are the Rick I skied with for about 10 min @ Mt Rose two seasons ago?

If so I just want to say, I like the way you ski, I like and agree with what you post in these (HOW ITS DONE) threads
Thanks MTT, that was me RicB and my friend Guy. Kinda of an interesting day wasn't it? You ski well yourself Mike. thanks for showing us through the fog to the chutes. I always read and like what Rick has to say as well.



Rick, not everyone is trying to expand their understanding by viewing things from a different perspective. I for one appreciate your staying power and knowledge.
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post #29 of 39
6/28/08 at 10:18pm
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LostBoy, GarryZ, RicB,,,,

Thanks guys.

Ya know, I've posted here for almost six years now. Started when I was temporarily marooned in Florida,,, looking for a way to stay connected with the sport I'd most loved all my life. I suppose the coach in me motivated me to stay,,, to keep trying to provide some help to others looking to expand their understanding and skills.

There were many times I questioned if my efforts were doing any good. If it was really worth the effort and time it took to translate the technical into a form that could be understood and used by non experts skiers and the scientifically challenged. Questioned whether people were really reading, studying, grasping, understanding.

Sometimes I had my doubts. Sometimes those who weren't really here to learn, but instead to promote,,, or draw attention,,, or to debate for the fun of debating (and the truth be damned) would frustrate me. I'd question whether I was really getting my message through to people, or if I was just engaging in idiotic debates with people who really had no interest in considering what I was saying.

This thread has provided solid confirmation that my doubts were ill founded. That somewhere beyond the fog of the foolishness, people were listening,,, were considering,,, and were finding within my posts things they could take to the slopes and use. That's all I've ever really wanted to come of my contributions here.

Thanks, everyone, for helping me come to understand nothing I've done here has been a waste of time. For shining a bright light the idea that the audience I'm really speaking to is often not the person I'm responding to. I'll try to keep that important message in the forefront of my mind as I carry on, and as I decide how to compose my future posts.

Thanks again, All. The memory of this thread will linger long in me.
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post #30 of 39
7/6/08 at 7:29pm
Rick,

Your posts are great.

Since recently joining and making a few comments/contributions, I've learned to lurk rather than waste precious time in many of the inane and/or ignorant discussions that seem to crop up constantly in the technique section.

However, I enjoy reading what you write, so keep it up .
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