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I got an email from Cameron at V5. He says that they aren't getting the time that they hoped to get out of the batteries and he is sending me an additional set. As I said, the customer support is excellent. Apparently they are revamping the design so that they will piggyback 2 batteries in parallel to decrease the load and extend the life of each charge. I'll then be able to trade my liners in for the new model. As my wife points out, I'm a bit like a beta tester for this company. I haven't minded because the service is so good and I really think that when they work out the kinks this will definitely be the way to go as far as a heated glove. That being said, you may want to wait a bit for the next upgrade (or just beta test like me).
In my other life I work as a Rheumatologist in CO and so I treat A LOT of Raynaud's. I've shown the V5 website to several of my patients but have been reluctant to make any recommendations. It sounds like they aren't quite there yet.
Do you know how long would they last on the #1 setting? Several members of my family use the boot heaters. At first they wanted to keep their feet warm and they were unhappy with them. A ski shop suggested they concentrate on trying to prevent their feet from getting cold instead of making them warm and it made all the difference. On bitterly cold days (like 5 degrees F) they want to take a break every two hours anyway to warm up their face and torso so I don't know how they would fare if they stayed out longer.
On another note, one of our patrol candidates has a heated glove that doesn't look like either of the 2 above. It looks like a normal glove, and has a battery on the back like the Zanier but a much thinner battery in a clear pocket that you can see the LCD and switch through. FWIW, After the usual teasing, someone asked if they worked, and she just shrugged.
Found them on the web,
and if you go to their glove page,
they show about 5 different brands of battery heated gloves.
I purchased two pairs of heated gloves in the last 6 weeks. A pair of Reusch Solaris and a pair of Gerbings Snow Core Gloves: My thoughts:
Reusch: Great ski glove its a real glove not an imitation
Switch system and LED works great and easy to Gage to the setting
Battery life: Fair to Poor they advertise 6.5 hrs on low setting and in my home they gave me 6.5 hours outside in the teens that drooped to 75 min and at 30 degrees it went to 120 min. The gloves kept your hands toasty and comfortable but the best I could get out of them was 2-4 hours depending on temp and managing on/off. On on the lift off while skiing. Ultimately kept them because they were real gloves
Great Cust service and a pleasure to deal with
Glove is a glorified driving glove not a ski glove in any way shape of form unless maybe a spring glove.
Switch system OK but could not operate with glove on needed to take off to change level of operation
Battery life: Much better than the Reusch they are removable as the Reusch are not and they are much thicker and bigger. I could easily get 4-5 hours at the 50% power setting the problem was the glove would not keep the heat in so it had to operate at 75 or 100% which reduced charge time. Liked the battery system much better since you could buy extras and carry spares but the gloves needs a lot work. At 199.00 the price is reasonable enough but the quality is not there. Gladly pay 300-350 for the right package.
Bottom line take the two gloves and use the best of both and you got a real product. I can't begin to tell you how many people ask about heated gloves and with the Reusch they blink so everyone says what is that. When they do get a good system count me in for first order!!!!!!
I also have cold digit issues. I'll stuff the chemical handwarmers into the toes of my boots while I drive to the mountain. Once there, I keep the warmers in my gloves. If I take a break and head inside for 10-15 minutes (which cold toes often require) I'll stuff the warmers back into my boots while inside.
This works REALLY well. It's the poor man's Hotronics. There's nothing quite like putting your feet into warm boots.
My hands get sweaty and cold. I've found the solution is very thin polypro glove liners and insulated mittens with a chemical hot pack inside (got a box of them at Costco for cheap). The liners keep my hands feeling dry, wick any moisture to the fleece glove lining, and the warmers keep everything toasty.
Have you received your new design with two batteries connected in parallel? Do they work? It seems that their customer support line has gone dead in the last week.
Has anyone tried the heated glove liners from Activeheat? (http://www.shop.activheat.com/product.sc?categoryId=8&productId=9)
I share your concerns regarding V5. One of the batteries I have isn't working and when I emailed the company, I never received an answer. This is atypical of their previous level of support. I've looked into the activ heat company and IMO it's no better than what's out there now. They are advertising a glove that can give up to 4.5 hours of heat. Usually that extended heat output is only at the lowest level. It seems to me that if you can get away with that level, you probably don't need heated gloves anyway. Once you have to pay for additional sets of batteries and are forced to change them 3 or 4 times in a ski day, the whole concept of a heated glove becomes more trouble than it's worth. If I hear from V5 I'll let you know. In the meantime, I'm sticking with mittens and heat packs. It's clear that the battery technology still has a way to go.
The concept of the ActiVheat glove liners is attractive, since the battery capacity can be very high (it is not limited by small size/weight consideration, since you wear the battery in your pocket). The only disadvantage is the wiring harness, but for me that is a non-issue. Comparing the price difference (249 vs 69), I think it is well worth a try.
Otherwise, the vaso glove does work well when the batteries are ok.
So, you never received the two batteries in parallel?
Never did get them. With regard to all of these heated gloves I'm most interested in how long the batteries work in cold weather at moderate to high settings. Often the companies won't even provide this info and when they do it's usually not adequate for a reasonably long day on the slopes.
I was trying out the Vaso V5 gloves last season until a ski crash ended my season early--I had the same problems with production delays, quality control and inadequate battery capacity as noted above. They did have great customer service. I don't think the Vaso company survives. I'd be interested to hear from Goetzfam or Ski09 if they ever got the V6 gloves.
The Mountain Hardwear Red Savina and Outdoor Research Prima Volta gloves are gone from their companys' catalogs. OR voluntarily recalled their product.
The Reusch Solaris glove is still available, and the Zanier Heat-GX has undergone an upgrade and now uses lithium ion batteries.
I think a common problem with all the heated gloves is the issue of battery capacity--if you actually turn on the heat to a noticeable level, the battery runs out of juice within an hour or two. Not very useful for a full day of skiing unless you carry a spare, or you have the time and the means to recharge the battery. There is a new product this year called "Ardica" which is basically a lithium ion battery pack that can be integrated with jackets or vests to promote warming of the torso:
Mountain Hardwear has a jacket this year using this technology. The thing about this battery pack is that you can also use it to recharge other battery powered devices like ipods or cellphones through a USB connector. This might be a way to recharge the batteries on heated gloves (or boots or whatever) while on the mountain and away from the power grid. Too bad none of the devices mentioned have provisions for USB charging.
Edited by extremetito - 10/7/09 at 12:03am
I do not recommend these gloves.
The gloves use the new Therm-ic system, also used by Zanier and Thermic gloves. They fit snugly and seem to be well made. Additional battery packs will be available.
I'll have more to add as I use the gloves this season.
Most of the current heated gloves on the market will cost $325-375.
The Hestra, Zanier (new) and Therm-ic gloves use the same system and the same battery configuration (made by Therm-ic).
I've had conversations with Hestra USA and they indicate they will fully support their product.
The sk+n company does not appear to have survived.
Heated glove technology is getting better, but is still not perfectly reliable.
I have a pair of Hestra Heater gloves from 2 seasons ago which worked OK, but one of the gloves has stopped heating. Luckily, Hestra has a lifetime warranty, and will replace or repair the gloves with minimum hassle. Hestra, Zanier, and Therm-ic gloves all use the same system (by Therm-ic), but I think Hestra's warranty support and wider range of sizes justify the small additional cost.
I am also going to try using a pair of Thermogloves as a liner in an old (modular) pair of OR Super Couloir gloves.
I will update after I've assessed these in the cold--Got a ski trip lined up in a couple of weeks.
Just discovered that Columbia is now selling battery heated gloves ("Bugaglove Max Electric") for about the price of the Hestra/Zanier/Therm-ic gloves. These seem to be a different system.
Also, Venture (ventureheat.com) is selling a full line of heated garments including gloves and glove liners. LL Bean is selling the Venture heated gloves at a price point below the price on the Venture website (and LL Bean has great warranty support).
Has anybody had any experience with any of these products?
Edited by extremetito - 11/30/11 at 11:04am
I have done a lot of analysis of the operation of heated gloves. Typically they have 2.2-4 ohms of resistance, meaning that at 3.7V (typical Li-Ion) they consume anywhere between 1.7A and 0.9A. At 7.4V (meaning more heat), the current doubles and 2.2ohms are not suitable and you need above 3 ohms to overcome the battery current discharge limit. All of the the controllers work on duty cycle change, i.e. somewhere between 0.2 to 0.6 (20-60%). I am bothering you with this details so you can find yourself how long your battery will last. For example, let say you use your controller at 0.2 duty cycle (lowest setting) and you draw 1A. if you want you battery to last 5 hours, you need 5*0.2*1 = 1Ah. Typically, the current is around 2-2.5A, so at 100% duty cycle (1) you need 5hours*2 = 10Ah. If you use it at lowest setting (20% or 0.2) you would need 2Ah (2000mAh). You can check the current yourself with DMM. Typically you can get Li-Ion battery packs around 2.2-2.6 Ah. The size of the battery becomes an issue, so you have to wear it using a pouch around your arm and have it connected to the controller and the battery. Ventureheat has the battery and controller into one, but the size is minimum of 2 18650 batteries. I believe most gloves sold (except Ventureheat, ActiveHeat whose batteries are around 7.4V/2.2 Ah) use 7.4V and around 1.2 Ah.
BTW, none of the manufacturers will tell you how much heat they provide.
Overall, I agree with the assessment above - will take some time before this technology matures.
I have the Ansai Mobile Warming Gear LT gloves, they cost me $200 and are totally awesome. They're thinner than my normal gloves but keep me super warm, all the way out to the fingers. That was the real selling point for me, was that when I turn them I can feel the heat in my fingers. I have Raynaud's so they're a huge lifesizer and a lot more convenient (and environmentally friendly) than constantly using hand warmer packets every time I ski.
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