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post #1 of 17
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A couple we know has joined in on our skiing holidays, which is great as their twins are the same age as our daughter (~4). The kids have their equipment all sorted out, and it is now time to look for equipment for their parents.

Both are 35ish+, she is 1.64m, he is 1.82m, both are roughly intermediate level. She has been skiing since being a kid, has started again after a long break and can be described as careful skier with nice clean moves. He has been skiing for two seasons(!), and can be described as a natural talent, skiing very fast but still in control, not always clean moves, but picks up advice immediately. I believe both have potential of reaching a more advanced level fairly fast. We ski in the Alps on mostly groomers (and indoors in the summer), taking turns on teaching the kids (50% kids skiing/50% adult skiing).

I am an advanced skier and quite happy with my Rossignol T-Power Viper S, which allow me to ski slow when looking after the kids, cruise along at medium speeds when skiing with my wife and do some seriously fast skiing when out and about with Mr Natural Talent. The Vipers fairly light to carry (remember: we are also carrying the kids equipment), are really nice on groomers, but not really meant for powder. All rental skies I have tried so far are far less versatile, either they are awkward at slow speeds or don't feel safe at high speeds. The worst I tried were Völkls, which were very heavy to carry, had no grip on ice, had a pronounced chatter, slow from edge to edge, and useless at slow speeds. Ideally I would like to recommend them skies like mine with a better capability off piste.

Any suggestions?
post #2 of 17
1. You are on a US based site; we don't translate well regarding .... cubits, stone or other common UK weights/measures phenomena.

2. If you think Rossi Vipers are a fast ski ..... :

3. Grip on ice? Almost any Stockli from mid range on up will eat ice .... but Stockli are a few ounces heavier and are made the traditional (straight sidewall), way.

4. They also need to consider proper fit for boots and from what I can determine from prior posts, that is not an easy task in the UK.
post #3 of 17
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1. Sorry about that...
He 1.82 meters = 5.97 feet
She 1.64 meters = 5.38 feet

2. fast ski... for a ski of its kind ;-) We only ski about 3 to 4 weeks in the Alps and maybe 2 weeks on the local hills (if it's a good winter) and a couple of days indoor skiing (mainly for the kids).

3. Typically 50% would be skiing with the kids (slow), 25% with our ladies (medium), 25% male skiing. So 75% of the time we would be avoiding ice or crud.

I would consider Stöckli skies for myself, but they are quite expensive skies around here. I'm looking for something which they can pick up for $200 to $300, which probably means I have to look at an European ski (excluding Swiss). Mid-range Head, Blizzard, Elan, Rossignol skies usually are on offer in this range.

4. Boots have been dealt with.
post #4 of 17
which Volkl did you try? Volkls typically are heavy but usually have bombproof edge hold.
post #5 of 17
As to your experience with Volkls, you have to know not only what brand, but what model of ski you tried, as well as how it was tuned.

Saying your tried some volkls and they were no good is like saying you tried a Chevrolet that was no good at speed; it could have been a 4-door chevette or a it could have been a corvette (the corvette is better at speed ).

The skis may have been deliberately dulled so people who ski mainly by twisting their skis around and sliding sideways seem to prefer non-hooking easy to steer skis to skis with edge grip.

You probably can't go wrong with Head SuperShapes. Fisher RX6 might be ok depending on speed requirements. RX8 if upper intermediate. Salomon Equipe may be a good choice. Given your budget however, your best bet is to keep an eye on non-current skis on e-bay.
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by skunkfromverbier View Post
which Volkl did you try? Volkls typically are heavy but usually have bombproof edge hold.
Must be about three seasons back, black with stars on them. They were rental skis (but new) so I guess they probably were cheap skis even though they were supposed to be "TOP VIP".

Looked similar to these:
http://www.ski-review.com/content/view/13/30/
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by yaSkier View Post
Must be about three seasons back, black with stars on them. They were rental skis (but new) so I guess they probably were cheap skis even though they were supposed to be "TOP VIP".

Looked similar to these:
http://www.ski-review.com/content/view/13/30/

Wow - Volkl 6 stars. They're definitely not cheap rentals. Top of the line skis. Might have actually been too much ski for you, maybe why you didn't like them
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
[Völkl] The skis may have been deliberately dulled so people who ski mainly by twisting their skis around and sliding sideways seem to prefer non-hooking easy to steer skis to skis with edge grip.
That would be an explanation... maybe I'll give Völkl another chance next season.

Head Supershapes won't fit the budget, Fisher RX6 are just outside limits - still searching. Keeping in mind most of the time we'll be cruising along with wives and kids what about the rest of the Head range? Head XRC range seem to be had for cheap, is it worth bothering with the 500s or do we need to look at 800 and higher?
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by SkiDork View Post
Wow - Volkl 6 stars. They're definitely not cheap rentals. Top of the line skis. Might have actually been too much ski for you, maybe why you didn't like them
I doubt they were Völkl 6 stars, just the nearest picture I found of them. Possibly they were too much for me, prefer Ghosts explanation though ;-)

Back to what skies to buy though...
post #10 of 17
You might like these http://cgi.ebay.ca/Head-i-XRC-1200-S...QQcmdZViewItem ,but before I can recommend them I would like to hear once more what you did not like about the Volkl's your tried.

Did they not grip strongly enough or were they too "hooky"?
Did the flop around too much at speed, or were they too stiff to conform to terrain?

You can't tell us too much; it's summer reading for us.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
You might like these http://cgi.ebay.ca/Head-i-XRC-1200-S...QQcmdZViewItem ,but before I can recommend them I would like to hear once more what you did not like about the Volkl's your tried.

Did they not grip strongly enough or were they too "hooky"?
Did the flop around too much at speed, or were they too stiff to conform to terrain?

You can't tell us too much; it's summer reading for us.
Thanks for the link (amazing!).

I'm beginning to regret ever mentioning the Völkls ;-) Remember, the ski recommendation is not for me but for a friend. I've been skiing since I'm four, in comparison he's only just started. But I'll do my best to recall the sensation I had with the Völkls: I believe what bothered me most was the lack of grip. In fast long turns they would start to slide away sideways. On icy stretches they were quite scary, they would lose a few feet with every turn. Looking back they might have been to stiff for me, they certainly didn't feel as bouncy in short turns as my Vipers.
post #12 of 17
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OK, we managed to get two good deals:
Head C260i for $150 for him and Salomon X 3V (3V Race) for $260 for her.
post #13 of 17
Not bad. What lengths?
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
Not bad. What lengths?
Head 163cm, Salomon 155cm.

A pity the only chance we have to test them is indoor skiing...
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by yaSkier View Post
Head 163cm
It should be good for indoors, and for learning. He can always rent something longer and wider for when he decides to go fast or off-piste.
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
It should be good for indoors, and for learning. He can always rent something longer and wider for when he decides to go fast or off-piste.
Totally agree. His choice of ski and length was influenced by the fact that he will often be skiing with the kids (4y olds).

BTW: I am amazed that we got skis for less than the price of two weeks of renting...
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by yaSkier View Post
1. Sorry about that...
He 1.82 meters = 5.97 feet
She 1.64 meters = 5.38 feet

2. fast ski... for a ski of its kind ;-) We only ski about 3 to 4 weeks in the Alps and maybe 2 weeks on the local hills (if it's a good winter) and a couple of days indoor skiing (mainly for the kids).

3. Typically 50% would be skiing with the kids (slow), 25% with our ladies (medium), 25% male skiing. So 75% of the time we would be avoiding ice or crud.

I would consider Stöckli skies for myself, but they are quite expensive skies around here. I'm looking for something which they can pick up for $200 to $300, which probably means I have to look at an European ski (excluding Swiss). Mid-range Head, Blizzard, Elan, Rossignol skies usually are on offer in this range.

4. Boots have been dealt with.
Try Stockli's website now - they have last year models on sale cheap. Or did - last time I checked. Cf. http://de.stoeckli.ch/
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