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post #1 of 12
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Need some expert advice for my (very) painful feet. Last December ('07) I bought Nordica Speed 10s at a shop in a western ski area. Previous boots had been Dalbello MX (very comfortable), and I was/am ready for something a lot better. I have very wide forefeet. In sneakers/tennis shoes I wear a EE or EEE, anything narrower hurts my feet. So, most ski boots cause me a lot of pain in the forefoot. I explaned this to the bootfitter(s), who recommended the Nordica's.

The boots felt fine in the shop worn for 30 min or so. But, after about 5 minutes of skiing, both feet felt like they were in a vice. It was so painful that I had to stop skiing several times on the way back to the shop at the bottom of the hill. Over 3 days I spent 5-6 total hours in the shop with the bootfitters streching and grinding both boots. In the end, I pretty much gave up and skiied the rest of the season with the two bottom buckles undone.

After a few days, I developed another problem. A large very painful lump on top of my right ankle. The lump never disappeared, and I still have it! I had the boot tongue ground a bit in another shop, and that helped, but not much.

What advice do you boot experts have? I am willing to try just about anything, including custom liners, new boots, custom made boots, anything really. I'm pretty desperate because last year I was miserable and I can't stand another season like last year. Thanks for any help and advice.
post #2 of 12
Daleboot.

http://www.dalebootusa.com/products.html

... no, I'm not a dealer, but I've had them on my feet.
post #3 of 12
The first thing you should do is have custom footbeds made. They would enable you to keep those two bottom buckles loose. With a good footbed the feet are supported properly and you don't have to buckle down for support. Plus a supported foot won't stretch out lengthwise and widthwise like an unsupported foot. Additionally your feet will be warmer because of more circulation in the feet. I'm surprised you weren't told to get custom footbeds initally.
post #4 of 12
pain on the foots width questions:

better or worse with ....

1) skiing, standing around, or feet unweighted (dangling off a chair lift)?

2) with the toe buckles, tighter, looser, or off? (it is OK to ski with the toe buckles off if your forefoot doesn't move around)

3) with thinner or thicker socks?

4) when you just have your foot in the shell only (no liner) do your feet touch the sides of the shell?)

5) with or without footbeds at all?

6) with or without custom footbeds?
post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by RayCantu View Post
The first thing you should do is have custom footbeds made. They would enable you to keep those two bottom buckles loose. With a good footbed the feet are supported properly and you don't have to buckle down for support. Plus a supported foot won't stretch out lengthwise and widthwise like an unsupported foot. Additionally your feet will be warmer because of more circulation in the feet. I'm surprised you weren't told to get custom footbeds initally.
I am using superfeet, fitted by the bootfitter. I realize there are better (or at least more expensive) ones ... do you think those will make a substantial difference compared to the superfeet?

...a related question - would (or in my case does) having the bottom buckles open cause the boot to flex or move as you ski, and wouldn't that defeat the manufacturer's engineering of the boot?
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
pain on the foots width questions:

better or worse with ....

1) skiing, standing around, or feet unweighted (dangling off a chair lift)?

2) with the toe buckles, tighter, looser, or off? (it is OK to ski with the toe buckles off if your forefoot doesn't move around)

3) with thinner or thicker socks?

4) when you just have your foot in the shell only (no liner) do your feet touch the sides of the shell?)

5) with or without footbeds at all?

6) with or without custom footbeds?
1) skiing. Standing around or dangling/unweighted - no problem.
2) I can only stand to be in the boots with the toe buckles off.
3) I have only used relatively thin "ski" socks, of which I have several pair. Does not seem to make any difference.
4) Just tried this, and yes. Both sides of my foot lightly touch both sides of the boot w/o liner.
5/6) I am using superfeet.
post #7 of 12
you probably need the boots stretching a little, but the fact it is only while you ski would suggest that it is to do with the position which your foot gets into when you ski [due to lack of flexion at the ankle] you may need to go to a custom footbed, [i assume it is just the OTC superfeet you have] as this wil help support your foot in the correct position.
stretching for the calf muscles coukld also be useful as this will reduce the rotation of the foot in the boot
post #8 of 12
Are they Superfeet CORK...?

Beware stretching too much or you may collapse the instep and pressure the top of the foot.
post #9 of 12
so just to confirm:

you ski with the toe buckles off (not loose, but not done up at all) and that still hurts?

and with the buckles off it will hurt while skiing, but you just have to stop sliding, and the pain goes away?

have you skied them without ANY footbed?
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
so just to confirm:

you ski with the toe buckles off (not loose, but not done up at all) and that still hurts?

and with the buckles off it will hurt while skiing, but you just have to stop sliding, and the pain goes away?

have you skied them without ANY footbed?
If I ski them with the toe and next (top of foot)(its a 4 buckle boot) buckles completely open, my feet don't hurt. But they hurt if buckled at all. The pain (mostly) stops when I stop sliding.

I have not skied them without any footbed.
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by bmillar View Post
If I ski them with the toe and next (top of foot)(its a 4 buckle boot) buckles completely open, my feet don't hurt.

great, problem solved, ski with the buckles open then.

buckles are made to prevent you foot from moving around in the boot. So if you foot doesn;t move with the buckles open then the buckles do not need to be done up. That is OK to ski with your boots this way.
post #12 of 12
You say you have a lump on your ankle, but don't say medial or lateral side. If medial side then your ankle bone is too close to the shell in that area. When you turn contact increases and most importantly pushes your forefoot laterally, squeezing your foot.

Do shell fit and with heel all the way back in the heel pocket, both boots on and parallel pointing forward determine if your medial malleolus (ankle bone) or navicular (anatomy sites easy to find through google) contact the shell.

If yes it could be at least a partial reason for your problem.
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