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post #1 of 14
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Ski instructors and other ski fanatics,:

Sorry to take up space here but it is for an extremely good cause....please read this message and if you can help, let me know. I promise not to post any further requests here but wanted to make sure the appropriate people would see it.:

As this is a site for people who love to ski, I was wondering if any of you who offer services would be open to, instead of donating money to the Leukemia Lymphoma Society, be willing to donate service(s) for free.

For example, I could offer ski lessons at a radical discount to people (funds to go to LLS) volunteered for free by pro, lift ticket to be covered by student. I was hoping I might be able to persuade pros from various areas who offer ski lesson/bootfitting..any other type of services for free.

I would offer those to the general population at a radical discount from the ski resort/retail rate (funds to go to LLS). For ski lessons (say a 3 hours lesson as less time is not nearly so effective), I would either ask the buyer to get their own lift ticket or if any of you have free lift tickets you could donate (I have to check Epic ski pass buddy/friend terms and I could offer mine if workable).

I would propose to offer service at some set discount from the retail price so all donees are on an equal footing (for example, if the retail price of a lesson you give is $500, I would offer it for a $250 donation to LLS. I would probably need to get resorts to agree that it would be ok to do this (lift tickets provided but resort is donating its faciities).

These are the services I would propose that could be offerred:

1) 3 hour ski lesson (time to be agreed by both parties/location decided by you). It could result in new students for you!

2) Bootfitting services (propose summer/fall time (non peak timeframe).....bootfitting free, if it results in a sale all the better for you. Could offer custom footbed as another service, etc.

3) Donations of lift tickets (if you have free buddy tickets, you could donate those)

If any of these work for people, you could help a really good cause by spending time (rather than money directly) and for people making money donations, it would be an unspeakably good exchange!!

If anyone would like to help, please post or PM me.
post #2 of 14
For your information, many instructors are prohibited by school rules from teaching lessons "off the books" at their home mountain, even for charity. Pros also need to understand that "off the books" lessons leave them "on the hook" for liability. You may find greater success getting resort marketing departments or ski schools to offer you vouchers for tickets and lessons. It should be possible for pros to volunteer their services to the ski school for "charity lessons" so that the school can then offer the lesson voucher at a lower cost to the school while still offering liability protection to the pro. This way, everything could be done "on the books".
post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by therusty View Post
For your information, many instructors are prohibited by school rules from teaching lessons "off the books" at their home mountain, even for charity. Pros also need to understand that "off the books" lessons leave them "on the hook" for liability. You may find greater success getting resort marketing departments or ski schools to offer you vouchers for tickets and lessons. It should be possible for pros to volunteer their services to the ski school for "charity lessons" so that the school can then offer the lesson voucher at a lower cost to the school while still offering liability protection to the pro. This way, everything could be done "on the books".
To piggyback on this, I'll just throw in how I've been able to do this in the past.

I've donated a full or half-day private lesson a few times in the past (including one that was auctioned off here at EpicSki), but it's always been with the full understanding and cooperation of my ski school director. The way it's worked is that I agree to give the lesson and the student then pays to the charity whatever amount is agreed upon.

In some cases, I've just donated the service to the charity and they've placed it in a silent auction. Then the buyer ends up contacting me to set up the date of the session. My ski area then treats it like any other lesson, so I wear my uniform and the student gets to enjoy lift-cutting privileges, etc.

As therusty says, no ski instructor should ever go "under" or outside their ski school organization on something like this. You would just be toast if any sort of injury or problem should occur. Some ski school directors (many, perhaps?) might be unwilling to cooperate on something like this because of the potential liability and the fact that no revenue is coming in, but my ssd has been very willing to help if it's a good cause.

Good luck with the effort.
post #4 of 14
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So, to clarify, I would need to request the donation from various ski school directors, is that correct? For example, Dee Byrne would be the contact for any lessons from Vail? If this is the case, could any pros open to donating a lesson please contact with the contact info for their ski school directors? I would appreciate any help............!
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Originally Posted by Ski Spirit View Post
So, to clarify, I would need to request the donation from various ski school directors, is that correct? For example, Dee Byrne would be the contact for any lessons from Vail? If this is the case, could any pros open to donating a lesson please contact with the contact info for their ski school directors? I would appreciate any help............!
When I donate my services, all the money goes to the charity. None goes to either me or the ski school. That means that the ski school director is not very likely to just "volunteer" an instructor to do the lesson with no compensation.

I think what you have to do is find instructors who are favorably inclined to help your cause, and then each instructor will have to see if their respective directors are willing to *let* them do what amounts to a pro bono lesson as far as the ski school and the ski corp and the instructor are concerned.

I know it sounds hopelessly complicated, but I also know from experience that it can be done.

Does any of that make sense?

As for my own situation, I've already committed to local causes for two full days this coming season. I don't think I can get away with any more than that without wearing out my welcome with my ssd. I wish you luck in your search.
post #6 of 14

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Ski spirit, Ditto in No. Idaho. Have done this in the past and got Silver Mt. to donate 2 lift tickets and let me teach an all day on their mt. They made me up a nice voucher/gift certificate etc. Marketing and Sales.

Good luck, Pete
post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks Bob and Pete for clarifying in depth how to do it (and thanks also Bob for clarifying that you're not available--just checking it as a possibility and if it doesn't work, absolutely no worries, no offense, etc.).

Don't mean to be pushy but, in reality, I am being a bit pushy by asking outright. However, I justify it as it is a really good cause.

There are a lot of good causes and I'm up front about saying that it's also for me -- I want the training from TNT to be comfortable about doing the marathon and they, in turn, want a $2500 minimum in fund raising.

Having said that, if there are any instructors out there who would/could volunteer time for a lesson and would feel ok about approaching their ssd and whoever else to check for approval, could you please either PM me or post here.

Of course, all funds would go to charity. The ski school would get a tax write-off (I'm not sure about the instructor --seems like you should if you don't recieve anything for the time).

This may be way more complex than I anticipate and not workable...but, I have to say, good for me for asking and good for theRusty, Bob and Pete for supplying helpful info!!!! Thank you....as usual loads of helpful info on this forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #8 of 14
They are correct at most schools. I had a few battles with the SSD when I went to help in the race department. They would not allow me to wear my jacket and insisted that I had to buy a ticket ..... to run fence and wire for a race????

Teaching on the hill ..... for free ... and take away a few bucks from the SSD .... why the poor boy would haven't the money for a new Rolex, and BBS wheels for his tricked our Porsche, alimony to his two ex-wives etc.

About the only way you may pull this over is to get the approval from higher ups where they can use it as a write off for some charity leverage.
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 

Follow Up

Ok, I'm a good letter writer and I'm willing to spend the time to at least try. If any of you would be willing to be volunteered on behalf of your school, could you provide me with the name(s) and contact info for people I should send the letter pleading for help to...?? I can spend some time to see if this is likely to work and, if it doesn't, it won't be totally unexpected or what I would consider a waste........
post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 
Also, if you have lift tickets you'd like to donate or you can give me info on who to contact at various resorts to ask for lift ticket donations, please post or PM me with info....it's a great cause and a raffle of lift tickets might be an easier arrangement....???????
post #11 of 14
I agree with Yuki that it is a good idea and I also would recommend seeking out an "official" decision maker at the resorts. The easiest way would be through their web sites. That being said I want to share with you why asking the line employees isn't a good idea.
Mainly it's because asking the line employees to give you something you intend to re-sell violates most ski area policies on selling their comp tickets, or working "underground". It is considered theft and as such it is cause for instant termination. Like it or not it is the employee abuses over the years that have produced these policies, which is again why it makes sense to go through official channels.
post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 
Ok, thanks for clarifying for me. That's a very good point that I hadn't thought about. I wasn't thinking about it that way as the funds are going to charity. Nevertheless, I think your interpretation is the right one.

So, I will check out some web sites and see if I can find any resorts open to helping. No further requests from me directly to this forum for services.

I do want to say that I went to the first training this morning and I think it's going to be a great experience.
I am doing this in part for myself because I want to do a marathon and to get the training for it.

But I think as I learn more and more about what the Leukemia Lymphoma Society does, I am more and more impressed. No wonder so many people who have had blood cancer or who've had loved ones who had blood cancer become almost lifetime participants.

LLS not only funds research; they help blood cancer patients to get by day by day. A blood cancer patient who doesn't have insurance needs approx. $21,000/week to survive (because of medical/pharmaceutical costs, etc.).

There were several people at the training who were grateful to LLS to be alive and it clearly came across. To have the chance to help these people and to also realize a dream for myself---how good is that?

If you can help in any way, please let me know. My web page for contributions is at: http://pages.teamintraining.org/sj/nikesf08/mgmc

If you can't help, no worries; it is a very tough economy!
post #13 of 14
My advice would be to go right to the top. Now I realize that at the mega-corps, the top is pretty high but with that said, some of the medium sized ski areas it is indeed possible to stop by the office and have a chat with some of the brass.

Another idea may be to get this off the ground by the person at your local paper that covers the "ski scene".

The reporter has the "in" and knows who to talk to ..... and it makes great copy!

Heck the useless lout that does our ski coverage for our local paper lives 80 miles away in another state and does all of his "coverage" by phone .... but he gets scads of comp tickets for his "efforts" (read weekly phone call).

But ..... the power of the press and coverage is potent medicine and that may be one place to start.

Good luck and God bless .... your heart is in the right place ....
post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 

Charity Fundraising

Thanks for the advice and support Yuki. I really appreciate it!!!

I will see what can be done. You never know unless you try, do you.....sort of like skiing.....
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