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post #31 of 51
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Originally Posted by daysailer1 View Post
The terrain park from looking at the map is a dedicated park run with no general public ski run beside it.
In the vid it doesn't look like that. But it's only a quick shot at the top.

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Originally Posted by daysailer1 View Post
My hill has many terrain parks. They are all fenced off with signage. The entrances are clearly marked and you have to slow down to enter them. The fencing is such that it discourages snowsliders from snaking onto features as this skier did. At the main park there is a staff member keeping an eye on entrants. For entry into the extreme terrain park one must first watch a safety video and buy an extra pass for that park. Someone is at the entrance checking for this pass. No pass, no entry.
I totally agree. Where & how the terrain parks are laid out on the mountain is an enormous component to safety flow. Entrance, exits, runs to get to lifts and back to the park, interaction with beginner trails.

At the home mountain, haven't experienced an additional requirement to enter the parks. Rule signs are clearly posted before you can enter the gate & cannot be missed. (and you don't need readers) There is a definate (small) entrance & a line once you are in. No cutting allowed ! And any kid that has been in any lesson program has been into the parks with an instructor & knows the rules. Any kid who has not, will be loudly told by those in line. If no line & you missed the signs,,well....that's when us old folk go in. (we do read the signs 1st tho.)
post #32 of 51
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Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
The kid is in a power wedge. She shouldn't have been in the park. What more needs to be said?
Nuff' said, fo' sure. I hope nobody got really hurt here. I think the "filmmakers" spelling and grammar are even more worrisome... Nice to see all you guys- I've been buried in work after blowing off half the winter...
post #33 of 51
Well it's clearly the girl's "fault" but it really wouldn't matter much to a court probably. I doubt many juries would hold a 10yr old fully responsible for the situation. The end loser in this would be the resort and all skiers.
I agree with catskills that this shouldn't happen so easily. I am frankly amazed at the brazen attitude taken so far by a lot of mountains on terrain parks considering how often they get sued for totally ridiculous things. It's definitely starting to change with some places having dedicated people who maintain jumps, educate people, and watch out for dangerous situations.

Talking about parents...well they can be some of the worst actually. Taking their young kids (sometimes very young) in a crowded halfpipe because they believe they have the "right" to do so. This then creates a dangerous situation because most will be highly annoyed yet wait till they're completely through but there's always someone who cuts in from the side and encounters the kid in the middle of the pipe.
Confronting them on this needs to be done carefully because the situation can quickly escalate to NHL hockey game level.
post #34 of 51
The crux of the problem is that one area of the hill, the terrain park, has a different set of rules, that not all skiers seem to know about. If all the girl did was memorize the skier's responsibility code, she might still have skied through the landing zone of a jump, just like she would ski along under a sharp drop on a trial.
post #35 of 51
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
The crux of the problem is that one area of the hill, the terrain park, has a different set of rules, that not all skiers seem to know about. If all the girl did was memorize the skier's responsibility code, she might still have skied through the landing zone of a jump, just like she would ski along under a sharp drop on a trial.
Correct. Too easy access to ski into the park (by accident or not) is the rest of the problem.
post #36 of 51
Jiminy Peak has a mini certification requirement. They also have a gate to access the park.

When I showed up to register and watch the video, I asked if I was the oldest one to sign up. The 80 plus club had already come through.

I found myself under the jump by skiing the nice soft snow that can be found in the park. The kids don't bother with that. I wasn't paying attention. If you ski around the jump it can be easy to forget about what's behind you.

That sounds lame but it's true.
post #37 of 51
Maybe we can wrap everyone in bubble wrap
post #38 of 51
The following points made by Ghost and PaulJones are excellent points. As PJ points out, after skiing around a feature, you really have to consciously think about NOT taking a path through the feature's landing zone Given that, anyone about to go big over a feature has to assume that anyone else going around the feature will in fact pass through their landing zone.

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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
The crux of the problem is that one area of the hill, the terrain park, has a different set of rules, that not all skiers seem to know about. If all the girl did was memorize the skier's responsibility code, she might still have skied through the landing zone of a jump, just like she would ski along under a sharp drop on a trial.

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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
I found myself under the jump by skiing the nice soft snow that can be found in the park. The kids don't bother with that. I wasn't paying attention. If you ski around the jump it can be easy to forget about what's behind you.

That sounds lame but it's true.
post #39 of 51
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Originally Posted by catskills View Post
The following points made by Ghost and PaulJones are excellent points. As PJ points out, after skiing around a feature, you really have to consciously think about NOT taking a path through the feature's landing zone Given that, anyone about to go big over a feature has to assume that anyone else going around the feature will in fact pass through their landing zone.
No, the terrain park is there so people can hit the features. If you want to ski around the features, then it is your responsibility to stay out of everyone else's way.

Thats like saying that If I wander into a racecourse to ski the soft snow on the sides, the racers have to watch out for me. :
post #40 of 51
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
Jiminy Peak has a mini certification requirement. They also have a gate to access the park.

When I showed up to register and watch the video, I asked if I was the oldest one to sign up. The 80 plus club had already come through.

I found myself under the jump by skiing the nice soft snow that can be found in the park. The kids don't bother with that. I wasn't paying attention. If you ski around the jump it can be easy to forget about what's behind you.

That sounds lame but it's true.
This reminds me of a story. A while ago I was driving. I pull into a turning lane to turn left, and some idiot not paying attention starts turning left, from the non turning lane to my right. If I hadn't of hit the gas hard and swerved to miss her, she would have hit me. I honked to let her know I was there, and as soon as she saw me, I flipped her off. Not the most mature of responses, but I don't like people putting my safety at risk. She follows me into the parking lot I was going into, and once I stop and get out of my car, she yells at me because I gave her the bird. She tells me how I had no right to flip her off because she didn't MEAN to almost hit me it was an "ACCIDENT". I told her no, it was not an accident, it was her being careless, and not being aware of her surroundings. Thats not an accident, when you drive (or ski) like that, sooner or later it will probably catch up with you.

I put the important part of your statement in bold. You weren't paying attention. You may have a right to ski the soft snow off to the side of the park, but you have no right to be oblivious of your surroundings and expect people to adapt to you.

Not trying to single you out, but if you're going into the park (or just going skiing in general) it is YOUR responsibility to stay safe, and not assume that other skiers will change their behavior to account for your carelessness.
post #41 of 51
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
I put the important part of your statement in bold. You weren't paying attention. You may have a right to ski the soft snow off to the side of the park, but you have no right to be oblivious of your surroundings and expect people to adapt to you.

Not trying to single you out, but if you're going into the park (or just going skiing in general) it is YOUR responsibility to stay safe, and not assume that other skiers will change their behavior to account for your carelessness.
Maggot, you have a keen sense of the obvious. As I was oblivious to the danger I had no expectations of others.

Instead of flipping the guy off : I caught up with him and appoligised. It was unintentional, however it could have had serious consequences. A loss of concentration is no excuse for an accident caused, it is simply a reason.

I am surprised that there are not more collisions from situations like this. How many times have you warned another skier that they were standing (or sitting) on the landing?
post #42 of 51
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Originally Posted by volklskier1 View Post
Maybe we can wrap everyone in bubble wrap
No, but maybe we could find some way of marking the landing zones of jumps. Not an easy task I'm sure, but if we put our heads together maybe we can come up with something.
post #43 of 51
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post

I found myself under the jump by skiing the nice soft snow that can be found in the park. The kids don't bother with that. I wasn't paying attention. If you ski around the jump it can be easy to forget about what's behind you.

That sounds lame but it's true.
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
No, but maybe we could find some way of marking the landing zones of jumps.
I realize Americans are stupid, after all they voted for George Bush TWICE but It's pretty obvious where the landing zones are. They're right under and past the HUGE mounds of snow! if you're not hitting the features just stay out of the park.
post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by volklskier1 View Post
if you're not hitting the features just stay out of the park.
No way. After the last storm we had, between the features was the only place they left the snow ungroomed.
post #45 of 51
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
Maggot, you have a keen sense of the obvious. As I was oblivious to the danger I had no expectations of others.

Instead of flipping the guy off : I caught up with him and appoligised. It was unintentional, however it could have had serious consequences. A loss of concentration is no excuse for an accident caused, it is simply a reason.

I am surprised that there are not more collisions from situations like this. How many times have you warned another skier that they were standing (or sitting) on the landing?
I wasn't trying to single you out, I was just using what you said to make my point.

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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
No, but maybe we could find some way of marking the landing zones of jumps. Not an easy task I'm sure, but if we put our heads together maybe we can come up with something.
Every terrain park I have ever seen has had extensive markings, signs, fences, warnings, etc. I don't think every feature needs its own individual markings. If you are going into a terrain park, keep your eyes open and your brain turned on.
post #46 of 51
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Originally Posted by volklskier1 View Post
I realize Americans are stupid, after all they voted for George Bush TWICE...
Consider the alternatives we were offerred...
post #47 of 51
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Originally Posted by volklskier1 View Post
I realize Americans are stupid, after all they voted for George Bush TWICE.
It's still very debatable as to who actually voted for whom
post #48 of 51
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
It's still very debatable as to who actually voted for whom
true true
post #49 of 51
A nearby resort got slapped with a $14,000,000 judgment because someone was being irresponsible in the park. The direct result? A fence around OUR terrain park. No longer can I ski the good terrain above and adjacent to the park and then cut in to the pipe for remaining flat terrain at the bottom.
post #50 of 51
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
A nearby resort got slapped with a $14,000,000 judgment because someone was being irresponsible in the park. The direct result? A fence around OUR terrain park. No longer can I ski the good terrain above and adjacent to the park and then cut in to the pipe for remaining flat terrain at the bottom.
Just sneak in the wee hours and build a kicker to jump the fence.
Just be sure not to land on anybody:.
post #51 of 51
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
Just sneak in the wee hours and build a kicker to jump the fence.
Just be sure not to land on anybody:.
just go tubing instead
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