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Safety training - girl skier gets landed on

post #1 of 51
Thread Starter 
I don't know if this has been posted before. I tried a search. I just found it today. Sorry, I haven't figured out how to embed video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19P8idVNRL8

Stresses the importance of terrain park safety rules. Also don't ski into the landing zone of a jump.

post #2 of 51
yeah I hate to see the little girl get hit but she had no business being there, and here parents are to blame for letting her in there.
post #3 of 51
There was also some snowboarder sitting down in the runout.

Poor girl, I hope she learned her lesson. There was nothing the guy jumping could have done since she skied under him while he was in the air.

EDIT: I just watched it again, it looks like her helmet nailed him right in the no no special place. That has got to hurt.
post #4 of 51
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Originally Posted by daysailer1 View Post
I don't know if this has been posted before. I tried a search. I just found it today. Sorry, I haven't figured out how to embed video.



Stresses the importance of terrain park safety rules. Also don't ski into the landing zone of a jump.
Imbedded for ya
post #5 of 51
I was standing directly under the landing of a jump like that at Killington two seasons ago. I just wasn't paying attention and this guy comes off the lip flying, missed me by inches, lucky me.

Not sure how I decided to stop there. I was launching off the landing lips of all the big jumps and happened to stop at one, not thinking about the danger.

It never occured to me to blame my mother:
post #6 of 51
In addition to the girl being where she shouldn't, the jumper should have been checking out the surroundings as he approached. A quick glance to each side during the approach would have told him of a potential problem. He should have been able to see the girl running parallel to him and abort the jump before hitting the ramp.

He may have seen her, and didn't believe she'd go random on him, and so committed to the jump anyway. It's better to ski defensively and assume that the other person will do something weird. It's better yet to check out the area above and below and wait until no one can mess up your flight plans before you take off.
post #7 of 51
No way that guy would have thought the girl would cut under the jump and into his landing. He did a good job spreading so he did not hit her with his ski.

Good think little kids a very flexable.
post #8 of 51
Thread Starter 
From the camera angle, I suspect the cameraperson was the spotter for the jumper.

Most terrain parks now have fencing along the park to prevent snowsliders from straying into the park like this.


Thanks for embed crgildart!
post #9 of 51
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
There was also some snowboarder sitting down in the runout.

Poor girl, I hope she learned her lesson. There was nothing the guy jumping could have done since she skied under him while he was in the air.

EDIT: I just watched it again, it looks like her helmet nailed him right in the no no special place. That has got to hurt.


Looks to me like she's wearing a knitted hat, not a helmet. You can see the hat go rolling downhill ahead of her after the collision.
post #10 of 51
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
...There was nothing the guy jumping could have done since she skied under him while he was in the air...
Would it have been difficult or unreasonable to expect him to see the child skiing beside him during his approach and abort mission!? I see contributory negligence.
post #11 of 51
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Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson View Post
Looks to me like she's wearing a knitted hat, not a helmet. You can see the hat go rolling downhill ahead of her after the collision.
Looks like you're right, but the main point was where she hit him. I just thought it was kind of funny.

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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Would it have been difficult or unreasonable to expect him to see the child skiing beside him during his approach and abort mission!? I see contributory negligence.
I guess, but do you slam on the brakes in your car every time you see a pedestrian by the side of the road because they might just walk out in front of you without looking?
post #12 of 51
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Would it have been difficult or unreasonable to expect him to see the child skiing beside him during his approach and abort mission!? I see contributory negligence.
Yes it would be difficult and unreasonable. The girl is actually initially BEHIND the jumper. When he starts his run he is seeing a clear jump and gotten the ok from the spotter/videographer. Most likely he focused on his speed, his maneuver and the takeoff. She catches him and overtakes him as he is speed checking. He prob never saw her until he was in the air
post #13 of 51
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Originally Posted by volklskier1 View Post
Yes it would be difficult and unreasonable. The girl is actually initially BEHIND the jumper. When he starts his run he is seeing a clear jump and gotten the ok from the spotter/videographer. Most likely he focused on his speed, his maneuver and the takeoff. She catches him and overtakes him as he is speed checking. He prob never saw her until he was in the air
agreed, peopple who are saying the jumper should of 'watch out" IMO probably have never hit a terrain park in thier life.
post #14 of 51
Just curious, what are the ethics of jumping blind into an area without a spotter?
post #15 of 51
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Originally Posted by oisin View Post
Just curious, what are the ethics of jumping blind into an area without a spotter?
Depends on the "juristiction". In the park it's pretty widely accepted that stopping in the landing zone puts the risk on you. Other places on the mountian the downhill skier right of way prevails so the jumper assumes liability to be sure the landing is clear before hitting the jump/cornace/cliff, etc..: I say look before you leap everywhere, but kids in the park don't agree 100%
post #16 of 51
Thread Starter 
It's recommended (and wise) to have a spotter but is not required.

Daysailer's rant - I have a co-worker undergoing ankle surgery because a skier decided to deliberately hang out on the landing zone and she couldn't see them. She had waited to give any person down below plenty of time to clear the zone. She chose not to land on the kids head but took out her ankle.


Here is the official program that the NSAA & PSIA is promoting.


Smart Style


Freestyle terrain comes in many shapes and sizes and it is important to know how to identify it on the slopes and to know the basic vocabulary. This section is dedicated to giving you some basic terrain park information.
Three main points of Smart Style

* LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP
o Before getting into freestyle terrain observe all signage and warnings
o Scope around the jumps first not over them
o Use your first run as a warm up run and to familiarize yourself with the terrain
o Be aware that the features change constantly due to weather, usage, grooming and time of day
o Do not jump blindly and use a spotter when necessary

* EASY STYLE IT
o Know your limits and ski/ride within your ability level
o Look for small progression parks or features to begin with and work your way up
o Freestyle skills require maintaining control on the ground and in the air
o Do not attempt any features unless you have sufficient ability and experience to do so safely
o Inverted aerials increase your risk of injury and are not recommended

* RESPECT GETS RESPECT
o Respect the terrain and others
(freestyle terrain is for everyone regardless of equipment or ability)
o One person on a feature at a time
o Wait your turn and call your start
o Always clear the landing area quickly
o Respect all signs and stay off closed terrain and features



Be sure you Know the Code : You're Responsibility Code provides safety tips while on the slopes. Smart Style is a terrain park specific safety program that you should check out before using terrain parks.
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The orange oval is a symbol, which identifies freestyle terrain on the hill. Check out the sample signage and vocabulary to make sure you're up to speed on the basics. Smart Style is a terrain park safety initiative, which you need to understand in order to use terrain parks safely.

FREESTYLE TERRAIN MAY INCLUDE HALF-PIPES, AS WELL AS TERRAIN PARKS AND TERRAIN FEATURES. THEY ARE PROVIDED FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT AND OFFER ADVENTURE, CHALLENGE AND FUN. HOWEVER, FREESTYLE TERRAIN USE, LIKE ALL SKIING AND RIDING, EXPOSES YOU TO THE RISK OF SERIOUS INJURY. PRIOR TO USING FREESTYLE TERRAIN, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH ALL INSTRUCTIONS AND WARNINGS AND TO FOLLOW "YOUR RESPONSIBILITY CODE".

1. Freestyle Terrain contains man-made and natural terrain variations.
2. Freestyle Terrain changes constantly due to weather and use.
3. Inspect Freestyle Terrain before using and throughout the day.
4. In jumping and using this terrain, you assume the risk of serious injury.
5. Be courteous and respect others.
6. One user on a Terrain feature at a time.
7. Never jump blindly - use a spotter when necessary. Look Before You Leap!
8. It is your responsibility to control your body on the ground and in the air.
9. Always clear the landing area quickly.
10. Always ride or ski in control and within your ability.


Some other resources:

http://www.nsaa.org/nsaa/safety/smart-style/
http://www.terrainparksafety.org/index.asp
http://www.swain.com/Learn/SafetySma...2/Default.aspx
post #17 of 51
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
Depends on the "juristiction". In the park it's pretty widely accepted that stopping in the landing zone puts the risk on you. Other places on the mountian the downhill skier right of way prevails so the jumper assumes liability to be sure the landing is clear before hitting the jump/cornace/cliff, etc..: I say look before you leap everywhere, but kids in the park don't agree 100%
Actually, the downhill skier has the right of way except:

"You must not stop where you obstruct a trail, or are not visible from above."
post #18 of 51
Yea--there's no way that this is the guy's fault. The girl made a beeline for the landing zone.
post #19 of 51
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
...I guess, but do you slam on the brakes in your car every time you see a pedestrian by the side of the road because they might just walk out in front of you without looking?
My car!? Cars kill. I'm insulted that you think I own one. If the ped is moving faster than me and converging, yes, I would yield. But I use a vehicle that allows and requires good peripheral vision.
post #20 of 51
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Would it have been difficult or unreasonable to expect him to see the child skiing beside him during his approach and abort mission!? I see contributory negligence.
I'll accept that my expectation was wrong and that the jumper was not in anyway at fault.
post #21 of 51
What happened to the girl?
post #22 of 51
I think it's real nice of the guy to take one in the crotch in order to save the girl.
post #23 of 51
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
I think it's real nice of the guy to take one in the crotch in order to save the girl.
Thank god she didn't have a helmet on!
post #24 of 51
After watching this video multiple times, we can do better. This easily could have been a killer accident. We must do better. :

I have not read any rules or responsibility codes that would help prevent this kind of accident from occurring again. I see a lot of very young and inexperienced skiers/riders that go down the terrain park around the features much like the little girl in the video. Why do they do it. They think its cool.

In my 30+ years in this sport, IMHO what we currently have in place is not acceptable. Killing young inexperienced skiers and riders is not acceptable in my book.

Ski Area Management needs to fix this.
post #25 of 51
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Originally Posted by catskills View Post
After watching this video multiple times, we can do better. This easily could have been a killer accident. We must do better. :

I have not read any rules or responsibility codes that would help prevent this kind of accident from occurring again. I see a lot of very young and inexperienced skiers/riders that go down the terrain park around the features much like the little girl in the video. Why do they do it. They think its cool.

In my 30+ years in this sport, IMHO what we currently have in place is not acceptable. Killing young inexperienced skiers and riders is not acceptable in my book.

Ski Area Management needs to fix this.
Ski areas need to fix it? How about the girls parents! If parents are turning their kids loose without them having a clear idea of the rules, responsibilities and dangers then that is the parents fault. If the kids are not capable of understanding this then they should not be out there unsupervised.
post #26 of 51
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Originally Posted by volklskier1 View Post
Ski areas need to fix it? How about the girls parents! If parents are turning their kids loose without them having a clear idea of the rules, responsibilities and dangers then that is the parents fault. If the kids are not capable of understanding this then they should not be out there unsupervised.
So you are saying no safety improvements are necessary to significantly reduce the risk of this kind of accident occurring? After seeing this video your saying all safety systems in place are just fine the way they are?

For the inexperienced, I can see this kind of accident for adults, teenagers and children. I bet 90 percent of experienced skier/rider parents, without terrain park experience, had no idea their children would be exposed to this risk factor in the terrain park.

For the inexperienced this is an easy mistake (too easy) that could be lethal.

Like I said. IMHO we can do better.
post #27 of 51
At my home mountain, they make you watch a six-minute safety video and then get a ticket to go in. Then you have to go to the front office, present your ticket and pay a small fee to get a season's terrain park pass. It's not expensive, just enough of a hassle that the only people in the terrain park are the ones who really want to be there, and who have been educated about its hazards.
post #28 of 51
Thread Starter 
This video was apparently shot at Norway Mountain in Michigan around Feb 23-24 in the Odin terrain park. There is some discussion about this incident on the Norway Mtn online forum in the terrain park section around Feb 27. The terrain park from looking at the map is a dedicated park run with no general public ski run beside it.

My hill has many terrain parks. They are all fenced off with signage. The entrances are clearly marked and you have to slow down to enter them. The fencing is such that it discourages snowsliders from snaking onto features as this skier did. At the main park there is a staff member keeping an eye on entrants. For entry into the extreme terrain park one must first watch a safety video and buy an extra pass for that park. Someone is at the entrance checking for this pass. No pass, no entry.
post #29 of 51
The kid is in a power wedge. She shouldn't have been in the park. What more needs to be said?
post #30 of 51
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Originally Posted by Acrophobia View Post
At my home mountain, they make you watch a six-minute safety video and then get a ticket to go in. Then you have to go to the front office, present your ticket and pay a small fee to get a season's terrain park pass. It's not expensive, just enough of a hassle that the only people in the terrain park are the ones who really want to be there, and who have been educated about its hazards.
I like this idea. Plus for minors have their parents sign a release form. For school ski trips, provide the forms online for download. As you said, just force a little bit extra work to make sure folks and our youth belong in the terrain park.
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