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post #1 of 27
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So as to stop hijacking the Celtics juggernaut thread, I thought I'd start this one.

What changes do you think the Pistons should make for next season?

I say:
  • Get rid of 'Sheed
I love the guy. He's his own man. He's smart, he's a huge talent and he's fun to have around. Without 'Sheed the Pistons wouldn't have had a chance at a title the last six years. With him, however, they've achieved one 'ship and gone up in flames a bunch of times. The worst thing I can say about him is he quit on us. This time he's got to go.
  • Get rid of Rip
One of the most consistant twenty point scores in the league and a very under rated defender, but the guy is a dirty player. I know nearly every NBA player breaks the rules when they think they can get away with it, but this guy goes too far. Also, if I hear him say one more time, "Yeah, we lost the series but we feel we were the better team" I'm just gonna scream. He's said that after the last three series losses. AFAIC when you loose a seven game series that's a definitive indication that you are not the better team. We'll miss you Rip, yessirrrr.
  • Get rid of Flip?
I don't know. Who would you replace him with? Michael Curry? Terry Porter? Avery Johnson? The problems we have is not with the coaching, it's with the players and their attitudes. Perhaps a more demanding coach would go a fair ways in solving those problems.
  • Put Stuckey into a three guard rotation (see below)
So John Hammond is the new GM for the Bucks. Michael Redd wants a trade. How about Rip and 'Sheed for Redd and Andrew Bogut? I haven't researched this scenario, just blowin' off some steam. Don't know if it could be made to work under the NBA regs, but I'll take Redd over Rip and Bogut's upside outweighs 'Sheed's downside. 'Sheed has one year left on his contract and Bogut must be coming to the end of his rookie deal, right? I know he's been a dissappointment, but I'd take a chance on him.
  • Start Maxiell, bring Dyess off the bench.
Man, we really need Max's energy and will 35 minutes a game. A summer's worth of work on his offense could go a long way. Dyess has two years left on his deal. If we do trade him, I sure hope he gets another shot or two at a ring.
  • Let Tay and Amir Johnson split time at the three. Not sure Amir can handle the quicker threes, but I'd like to see him get a shot at it.
  • Give Cheikh Samb another year in the D League. He may very well be a big part of the equation the following year, but he'll need way more minutes than he'd get in the show.
Hmmmm, let's see. That would be a back court rotation of Billups, Redd and Stucky with Afflalo and Dixon helping out as needed. The front court would be Prince, Maxiell, Bogut, Johnson and McDyess.

That leaves the draft and a bunch of role players to possibly work a trade with.

Comments?
Other ideas?
post #2 of 27


I just have to say that when I saw the thread title, I immediately thought to myself "why would someone use Marker Pistons for skiing bumps"? Then I looked at the forum...

Have a great summer!

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post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks spindrift, I think I will
(in spite of the flame out 'Stones)

Oh, and corresponding with a Seattlite makes me want to point out that even though I do p!ss and moan about my bball team, I do know how good we Pistons fans have had it.

Hope to see you and cloudpeak next winter
post #4 of 27
Obviously, I agree with dumping the dancing Sheed. Should have gotten rid of him after he let Big Shot Bob steal the championship from them.

I'd keep the coach another year or two. I think the team relied more on Wallace for "pump up" than on the coach, and I'm not certain someone else could make a significant difference.

I like Rip and I think his play is worth a spot on the team. I doubt they could get any more points out of a trade. I don't think his grabbing and holding is any more dirty than half the rest of the league. I didn't like the elbows in the last couple games, but that probably was a combination of payback and frustration over the liklihood of another finals failure. He gets plenty of lumps too.

I've kind of lost track of the rest because so many of their games weren't televised here or when I could watch.
post #5 of 27
If they trade Rasheed they'll need another Tarheel.:
Danny Green might be a good fit.
He does love to dance!
post #6 of 27
Thread Starter 
Well, Flip is now part of Piston's history. More wins in a three year span than any other P's coach. The players have been told that they're all on the trading block although everybody knows that.........Stuckey isn't going anywhere

The draft is about three weeks away. I'll be surprised if a big name or two aren't gone when it's done.
post #7 of 27
Damn... I'm late to this one. Oh well, it needs revival now anyway, as lots of things have changed. I would say the chances of a big deal are slim at this point.

It's easy for me to say now, in hindsight, but truthfully here was my take on the starting 5.

Dyess - no trade value. He'd rather retire than start over somewhere else. Other teams kn

HA! I was writing this, and suddenly realized that it seemed like I had written it before.... A short search and here is what I found that I wrote on another forum...

I'm excited to see if the pistons can make a big move, but it's tough, man. They have been to the EC finals six straight years. You have to be damn sure that any move you make won't make the team worse. It isn't a bad position to be in as a fan, but it's frustrating.... you want to see change, since they have come up just short so many times, but at the same time, look at the starters....

PG: Billups - Point guard is a pretty important position. Seriously how many PG's in the league would you take over Billups? He's not perfect, but solid. Not necessarily something to mess with. Ironically, I'd say he's the most likely to go. He has value and Stuckey is damn good.

SG: Rip Hamilton - he is just simply the most solid player the pistons have. VERY consistent.... Great shooter, automatic on free throws, rarely injured.. You better be damn sure before you let him go.

SF: Prince - does everything well. Very underrated in my opinion, but does tend to disappear in big games sometimes. I could see trading him in the right situation.

PF/C - Rasheed - he frustrates piston fans more than anyone... but try to envision a scenario where you could make a trade and get a BETTER player? He's 7 feet tall, can post up, shoot the 3, block shots, rebound and bring solid D every night. Again, he's not perfect, but that's a tough one to send packing.

PF Dyess - Solid on both ends. Automatic 10/10 guy. Great teammate. Virtually no value in a trade. He would probably just as soon retire than move teams again.

It will be interesting. I'd like to see them make a good deal, but I wouldn't be pissed if they gave it one more run.


So I guess it's looking like it's one more run with a new coach and another one year plug in (Kwame Brown)

I kinda like their chances....
post #8 of 27
Thread Starter 
Pretty astute synopsis I'd say and I sure hope your optimism proves to be accurate

Yeah, I had hoped for a major change or two... especially right after the dissappointment of the Boston series... but the team as it stands right now has proven itself to be elite. If coach can make them believe that they have to prove it again every night maybe they can bring home another ring this year.

However, I hope that this team doesn't get the chance. I think it's a real possibility to see a key player or three moved before the trade deadline.


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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post

PF/C - Rasheed - he frustrates piston fans more than anyone... but try to envision a scenario where you could make a trade and get a BETTER player? He's 7 feet tall, can post up, shoot the 3, block shots, rebound and bring solid D every night. Again, he's not perfect, but that's a tough one to send packing.
Ok, nothing new to say but I just have to say it again.

I'm a huge Sheed fan. I love his iconoclastic attitude. He is bigger, smarter and more talented than the vast majority of players in the NBA. He has a superior feel for the game and he knows no bounds when it comes to investing his feelings into a game.

But the thing is, he quit on us in the biggest game of the year two years in a row. That for me is an unforgivable offence. You can say, as the owner of the team did in a recent interview that it's the coach's fault for loosing the players but I think that's a cop out.

Fans often say that a player making millions of dollars should be held accountable for playing well, achieving a big stat line and winning games and titles. I think this is BS. A player isn't neccessarily going to achieve his ultimate potential no matter how big his paycheck is. However, a player should be held accountable for earning his pay by giving a total effort. Sheed=fail I say send him on his way even if we can only get 75% value in return. Send a message to the current and future Pistons.

If we can't get 75% value..... well, he's got one more year on his contract. Hopefully coach Curry can get through to him and keep getting through to him 'til the final game is done.
post #9 of 27
Amir is now starting. Afflalo is playing great.... Stuckey is going to be a star.

Don't be surprised to see Chauncey moved before the trade deadline.
post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Don't be surprised to see Chauncey moved before the trade deadline.
Looks like this is pretty good prognostication.

So I guess we've got The Answer. What questions does that leave you with? We lose size, we gain scoring; we lose an experienced (with this team) and willing floor leader, we gain scoring; we lose calm and steady, we gain explosive, emotional and hungry; we lose assists, we gain financial flexibility when the season is over.

So, did we get a needed shot in the arm or did we just shoot ourselves in the foot?
post #11 of 27
I think they'll be ok... Not only did they set up this team for a pretty good shot at another title run, they really set things up nice for the future:

Here is how this trade is brilliant….



1. They get Iverson and he is in the last year of his contract (20 million)

2. The Nuggets get McDyess (to make the numbers work) and then waive him, allowing the Pistons to re-sign to a one year contract for the league minimum. (pre-arranged, I’m sure) There were reports that McDyess said he would block this trade… He would rather retire than start over with a new team, so the Pistons included Cheick Samb.

3. Rasheed’s contract expires at the end of the season as well (12 million)

If this shakes out like above, the Pistons would, between Iverson, Wallace and McDyess, free up 42 MILLION dollars of salary cap space, allowing them to sign TWO max contracts in the next year or two.

Guess who will be a free agent after this season or the next:

Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Dwane Wade, Chris Bosh, Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur…….



How do you like Joe now?
post #12 of 27
The one thing I wonder about is where Iverson fits in.... He'll have to start, but do you start Stuck at point and bring Rip off the bench? I don't think so.. I would anticipate AI starting at the point and Rip starting at the 2. If they plan on keeping Rip, he needs to start and play 30+ minutes per night. It’s possible Joe’s not done, though. Rip might get traded and the starters would be Stuckey at PG and Iverson at SG. The good thing is, though, if they keep Rip, this gives the pistons the opportunity for ALL KINDS of 3 guard looks. I wouldn’t be surprised to see A.I., Stuckey and Rip in at the same time quite a bit with Tay even running the point on a lot of plays.


The one thing I’m comfortable with is that Joe has definitely thought this out…. This is not a knee-jerk reaction.
post #13 of 27
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Yeah, I wasn't fully aware of the salary cap implications earlier. It certainly does bode well for the future. If nothing else it will be exciting to see how this season shakes out. There's a big upside, no doubt.

I'm pretending KB isn't on that list. I hope JD is too.

Have you seen any word about the press conference yet? I'm pretty eager to see it.


Edit: This in response to your earlier post.... can't figure out how to go back and quote
post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
The one thing I wonder about is where Iverson fits in.... He'll have to start, but do you start Stuck at point and bring Rip off the bench? I don't think so.. I would anticipate AI starting at the point and Rip starting at the 2. If they plan on keeping Rip, he needs to start and play 30+ minutes per night. It’s possible Joe’s not done, though. Rip might get traded and the starters would be Stuckey at PG and Iverson at SG. The good thing is, though, if they keep Rip, this gives the pistons the opportunity for ALL KINDS of 3 guard looks. I wouldn’t be surprised to see A.I., Stuckey and Rip in at the same time quite a bit with Tay even running the point on a lot of plays.


The one thing I’m comfortable with is that Joe has definitely thought this out…. This is not a knee-jerk reaction.
I couldn't see AI or Rip coming off the bench. Yeah, looks like Will Bynum is our only true point now. Stuckey looks like he's on his way but I think they'll miss CB's willingness to sacrifice his offensive game (most of the time) to run the team.

I don't mind seeing Tay start the plays at all though.

I heard the Denver put this offer on the table quite a few days ago. Probably was discussed quite a bit in the summer.


Hmmm... pretty cut and dry quote from JD
Quote:
“We are pleased to welcome Allen Iverson to the Pistons organization,” said Dumars. “Allen has proven he is one of the elite players in the league and we like what he adds to our roster at the guard position. We appreciate everything that Chauncey Billups, Antonio McDyess and Cheikh Samb brought to the organization during their time here in Detroit and we certainly wish them all the best.”
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by bumpfreaq View Post
Yeah, I wasn't fully aware of the salary cap implications earlier. It certainly does bode well for the future. If nothing else it will be exciting to see how this season shakes out. There's a big upside, no doubt.

I'm pretending KB isn't on that list. I hope JD is too.

Have you seen any word about the press conference yet? I'm pretty eager to see it.


Edit: This in response to your earlier post.... can't figure out how to go back and quote
Yeah... I'm not that interested in Kobe. Lebron wouldn't be a bad addition, though.

Lebron and Bosh?
post #16 of 27
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Lebron and Bosh?
I could live with that
post #17 of 27
Maybe it'll reinspire Rasheed to have a more positive season this year.
post #18 of 27
No question when Sheed is playing well, the team is nearly unbeatable.

Here's a stat a lot of people don't know.... Sheed has had 100+ 3-pointers and 100+ Blocks in 4 different seasons, including the last 3 in a row.

No other player has done that more than once.
post #19 of 27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Here is how this trade is brilliant….
Pretty impressive. You said it yesterday now half the news paper guys are echoing you.
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by bumpfreaq View Post
Pretty impressive. You said it yesterday now half the news paper guys are echoing you.
Wow. Good find! That page will keep me busy for a while!!
post #21 of 27
How'd you like your Pistons last night, Bumpfreaq?

A game like that makes you wonder why they weren't in the running the last couple seasons.

Maybe The Answer will spark Sheed to play more up to his potential and bring Brown along.

I liked that Billips wasn't dribbling the ball for the first 18 of the 24 seconds each possession.
post #22 of 27
Diggity is comin' home!!!! (and we need it!)


McDyess will Re-sign with Pistons




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post #23 of 27
Thread Starter 
Sorry Kneale, I didn't see your post before now. Last night's game? Yeah, not so much.

U.P.... right you are.
post #24 of 27
I just wanted to get that Lions thread off the top....
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Diggity is comin' home!!!! (and we need it!)


McDyess will Re-sign with Pistons




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I called that back when the trade was made. Dumars is a genius, pretty much traded Billups and C. Samb for AI.
post #26 of 27
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I called that back when the trade was made. Dumars is a genius, pretty much traded Billups and C. Samb for AI.
Now they just need to learn how to play with AI....
post #27 of 27

Bump for Bumpfreaq.  Time to crank up the NBA Playoff stoke

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