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Why do the boot mfrs give up?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I've been trying to answer this for myself, but haven't gotten very far...

Given that there are such distinct differences in the fit between different boots (caused by using a different last, I would guess), how do boot manufacturers decide who their "target foot" will be? Why would they knowingly and intentionally design boots that won't fit some feet, and essentially concede that market share to other companies?

Or, would they argue that their boots are the best choice for any foot, and ignore the fact that some boots obviously work better for some people than for others?

I hope I explained my question well, because I've been turning it over in my head for a while now, and I'd like to get some sort of answer...


aaron
post #2 of 12
Thread Starter 
Oops... Note to mods - I meant to put this in the gear discussion forum to let more people answer it... Please feel free to move it there...


aaron
post #3 of 12
most companies make boots with 4-6 lasts.

salomon makes the

falcon 98mm
impact 100
misson 102
??? 104
illios/charm 106

most large companies are similar.

also as the boots get wider, then get larger instep height, wider heel, and softer. This works for most people, as boot fitters can make a boot bigger, but not smaller.

This doesn't always work for the narrow foot who needs a soft boot (but some jr race boots will work) and is really crappy for the British rugby player that is 5" 6' and 250" (wide foot, but needs a stiff boot)

a few companies only make one boot (like full tilt) but this is in the minority.
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
So, do they think (or at least aim to claim) that they do provide a boot for any/all foot shapes/sizes? Why, then, do most fitters seem to have go-to brands for a particular shape of foot? "Low volume" = Brand A, while "high volume" = Brand B, for instance?

Or have I inappropriately simplified what i've seen discussed here?


aaron
post #5 of 12
I'd imagine that if every company made enough different shapes to fit everyone, bootfitters/sellers not to mention consumers, would get incredibly confused.

A given company will usually offer slight variations on a certain shape, so that people can just remember "I'm a salomon foot" or something similar.

Also, most of the big boot companies are actually owned by companies that own more than one boot company, so they can have a bigger market share, while still allowing people to just remember "I'm a technica foot".
post #6 of 12
Are you looking for a Generic Fit?

Why?

You should be happy that, at least at the high end, boot manufacturers are building distinctly different boots, it gives a better chance for fit for more people. Picture the alternative...
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by scootertig View Post
So, do they think (or at least aim to claim) that they do provide a boot for any/all foot shapes/sizes?
the companies = yes. They make the greatest boots of all time and can fit anyone. And they can fit most. Just the right boot from brand X vs the right boot from brand Z, one might take more custom work to get 100%

the stores = no, as odds are they will not carry all the shapes from all the brands. Odds are the store will carry a few similar options from a few brands. THe lange HP fit is similar to the salomon falcon fit, but only once the person has one of each on can they tell the small differences

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Why, then, do most fitters seem to have go-to brands for a particular shape of foot? "Low volume" = Brand A, while "high volume" = Brand B, for instance?
see stores above

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Originally Posted by scootertig View Post
Or have I inappropriately simplified what i've seen discussed here?




my store carries lange, salomon, full tilt, and nordica (for next year)

so a mid volume foot, that needs a med flex, I have 3 options. All will be close, but you have to get feedback from the customer about what boots feels best where. All would work, but one will work better.

Some boots flex better for some foot, ankle, shim shapes. Lange, in just about all models, will give me shin bang. It is a great boot, I sell lots of them, just not the right boot for me.
post #8 of 12

^^
dave that's for you and you know why...
post #9 of 12
Any boot will fit anybody as long as there's cardboard and duct tape to be found:

Seriously though, most can be bought a little tight then broken in to fit very nicely as long as there's nothing seriously abnormal about your feet IMO. But, that is a painful and time consuming process that most wouldn't spend $400.00 + then endure. So, they buy what they want a little big then og with custom fitting, orthotics, (or cardbord and duct tape).:
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
I didn't even consider the multi-brand factor (that one company owns multiples). That allows them to keep brand-loyal people, but also to provide boots in a variety of possible fits/forms.

Whiteroom - I'm not looking for a generic fit. I've got Salomon X-Wave boots that I really love, and I'm not looking to move. I was more interested in why a mfr would intentionally limit their potential audience by not making boots in multiple fits to accomodate everyone. Mntlion's answer makes a ton of sense...


aaron
post #11 of 12
If a boot company made a boot for specific feet they would go out of business in one season. Boots must be generic, and fit all people at the store. As long as the boots are comfortable in the store 90% of the skiers are happy. To get a boot setup for an individual you must get custom footbeds and have a good bootfitter set you up correctly. One other thing, even if a boot were perfect on one foot in the store, what are the chances it would be perfect on the other.
post #12 of 12
sorry waxman, I needed another brand on the wall to keep customers happy. I'll still sell mainly blue boots
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