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Bindings for Gotmamas

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Okay, I got my Gots/ 190cm

I am 270 lbs(around 250 when skiing).

I need suggestion for the best bindings.

Oh, and thanks for all the feedback, as I got a pair of Elan magfires for my eastern skking also.....can't fffn wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #2 of 17
Lots of good choices out there. But at your weight, I'd probably do Jesters or Salomon STH 16s - or maybe even 14s. Depending on boot size, how aggressive you are, etc. though

I'm sure the Look/Rossi crowd will weigh in with a fine suggestion or two as well...
post #3 of 17
do you want ramp angle? IMO, that's your first debate.

I'll let the techies state the different angles. I don't know off the top of my head. IIRC, the jesters are flat, though.

I don't like ramp angle on soft snow skis. But that's just me. If I were to remount my goats, I'd take off my fritsches and put on Jesters.
post #4 of 17
Pick anything that has at least a 14 DIN, you'll want the metal construction. Marker Jester, Tyrolia Mojo 15, Salomon STH, Look/ Rossi PX14, Vist 614, etc. It really won't make much difference what you pick.
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
do you want ramp angle? IMO, that's your first debate.

I'll let the techies state the different angles. I don't know off the top of my head. IIRC, the jesters are flat, though.

I don't like ramp angle on soft snow skis. But that's just me. If I were to remount my goats, I'd take off my fritsches and put on Jesters.
It depends on the skier of course, but I remounted my Goats with Dukes tis year from 1400 Pistons mostly to change the ramp angle. I like them much more with the Dukes.
post #6 of 17
Epic

Concur... Dukes all the way.. GREAT binding, especially w/goats...
post #7 of 17
Dukes only make sense if skinning is, at least potentially, on the menu. Otherwise what you get is just a lifted heavier much more expensive Jester.
post #8 of 17
AFAIK these are the current delta angles:
Marker Jester & Duke: 0mm
Atomic: +2mm
Salomon +2mm
Fischer/Tyrolia +3mm
Look/Rossi, Marker & VIST + 5mm

I sell Vist bindings in the UK & can strongly recommend the 412, 614 & 816 bindings, all of which are full metal race quality construction & release extremely accurately when torque tested. Like samurai I prefer no ramp angle so I've put plastic shims under the toe pieces (longer screws required). I think Whiteroom sells Vist in the US.
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post #9 of 17
Dukes are more like 2mm, not 0mm some of the early literature made it sound like 0mm, but according to Marker, it's not.
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
Dukes only make sense if skinning is, at least potentially, on the menu. Otherwise what you get is just a lifted heavier much more expensive Jester.
Yes, you are right, if you won't skin, and don't want lift, go Jester. I occasionaly do skin, and do want lift.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
Dukes are more like 2mm, not 0mm some of the early literature made it sound like 0mm, but according to Marker, it's not.
I was told ages ago that they were 0mm by the UK distributor but I've not measured them. I've just mounted a pair so I'll measure them tomorrow.
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
Dukes are more like 2mm, not 0mm some of the early literature made it sound like 0mm, but according to Marker, it's not.
I've just measured the delta angle on a pair of short length Dukes with new 307mm sole length Atomic M110 boots clicked in. The forward pressure was dead right & the toe height clearance set to 0.5mm with a feeler gauge. The delta angle is definately 0mm.

The exact delta measurement when mounted will change depending on the skis to which they're mounted as the thickness of the ski & the mounting point on the ski will be a factor, ie on a pair of 179cm High Society FR's the above set-up mounted on the Freeride line has a delta angle of +1mm but if mounted on the boot centre line on 181cm Icelantic Nomads the delta angle is 0mm.
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by spyderjon View Post
I've just measured the delta angle on a pair of short length Dukes with new 307mm sole length Atomic M110 boots clicked in. The forward pressure was dead right & the toe height clearance set to 0.5mm with a feeler gauge. The delta angle is definately 0mm.

The exact delta measurement when mounted will change depending on the skis to which they're mounted as the thickness of the ski & the mounting point on the ski will be a factor, ie on a pair of 179cm High Society FR's the above set-up mounted on the Freeride line has a delta angle of +1mm but if mounted on the boot centre line on 181cm Icelantic Nomads the delta angle is 0mm.

could you specifiy what do you understand under delta???
post #14 of 17
You should search high and low, left and right for a binding with a "Made in China" tag to match the one on your Gotamas. If you can't find any bindings made in China, I suggest Look Pivot Jibs if you can find any of those - minimal lift and short bindng ski interface. You can make the 100 MM brakes work with minimal effort.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by kubagr View Post
could you specifiy what do you understand under delta???
The delta angle is the additional height of the heel above the toe in mm. The manufacturers often build in this height in an attempt to help users get forward more. If you have too much tilt (or ramp angle as it's often known), especially when combined with the forward lean of your boots, it can be counter productive as you end up sticking your backside out to counterbalance & to stop that 'over the handlebars' feeling. Apparently most WC racers are using bindings that have little if any delta so it's then easy to tweak their set-up as required. It's not uncommon for people to actually balance best when actually slightly toe high. My ideal set-up is like this hence my shimmed solution as per the above pic. I used to have this solution built in to my boots by attaching a lifting plate under the toe but my new Atomics have a hollow toe lug that can't be routed back down to the proper din spec (19mm) so I had to go with the shims under the binding.

You can check easily your own set-up. Snap your boots in to your bindings & put the ski on a flat surface, pressing the camber down flat. Measure vertically from the flat to the bottom edge of your boot at the toe & at the heel, then compare.

The manufacturer's specs I listed above are based upon mounting their bindings on a level flat surface were in reality a ski tends to have a curved profile/thickness variation along it's length therefore your own specific binding/ski combination might be slightly different than stated by the binding manufacturer as the thickness of the ski will affect the relative heights.

Note that a smaller boot will give a steeper actual 'ramp angle' (ie forward tilt) than a longer boot in the same binding.
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by MJB View Post
You should search high and low, left and right for a binding with a "Made in China" tag to match the one on your Gotamas.
LOL
post #17 of 17
Unlike those ensnared in technical mumbo-jumbo, my choice was based upon more pragmatic considerations: a cosmetic match.

Marker's Biometric "12", has a black and gold argyle pattern that provides a stunning compliment to Gotama's gold top-sheets. Imagine my relief. I'm currently seeking a Gold Lame romper suite to complete the ensemble.

My only quibble is the color clash with the orange Buddha on the tail. Fortunately, the Buddhas are so ineptly affixed by the Chinese they fall off within 30 days.
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