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New powder boards for my 11 yr. old

post #1 of 95
5/29/08 at 2:12pm
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My 11 year old daughter is trying to talk me into getting her some new powder skis. She is currently using Rossi Scratch BCs in 150cm. She says she wants to go longer and wider. She is 5'2" and weights about 100 lbs. Is quite muscular and is a very good skier. Her other skis are Volkl Racetiger GS in 157. What do you think? Should I start looking for something wider and longer? She says she wants more float for the deep days. Any suggestions on what ski she might like and how long I should go? She really wants a pair of 168 Gotamas (or Kikus) but methinks that might be too much?????
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post #2 of 95
5/29/08 at 2:28pm
My sister is about the same size:

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I am a classic case for women's skis though. Men's skis are generally too stiff for me because of my size. But, many women's skis are too wimpy. My Roxy's are perfect.
Not sure about the float she's after, but here are a couple reviews: Roxys
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post #3 of 95
5/29/08 at 3:33pm
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I guess I should add that these will also a sidecountry/backcountry set as well. She has done some bootpacks with me this sping and wants to do more. Thinking of maybe the barons for bindings
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post #4 of 95
5/29/08 at 7:32pm
At 100lbs, the Goats might be a bit much. I'll look for something a bit softer flexing. A good choice might be some of the old Sollie Pocket Rockets, which I'm sure u can find a used pair for dirt cheap.
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post #5 of 95
5/29/08 at 9:42pm
164 Bro softs?
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post #6 of 95
5/29/08 at 9:47pm
The Scratch BCs are what, 90mm in the waist? At 100 pounds, that ski has to support fewer pounds per square inch than my 195 Praxis Powders. I did the math on this stuff once.

Believe me, I understand Gear Acquisition Addiction better than most, but this seems like overkill.
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post #7 of 95
5/29/08 at 9:48pm
I don't think there is anything wrong with buying a ski that she could likely grow into as she becomes stronger. I would definitely consider the goat if she is already asking for it.

Many big mountain pros also competed on Pocket Rockets. So, just because they're soft doesn't mean she'll out grow them either. I'm not up on today's salomon line, but isn't the gun the evolved PR? Traditionally salomon has been known for soft pow skis, but I think they're using a bit more wood in their line these days- I don't know if that applies to the gun or not. Nonetheless.... I wouldn't be afraid to buy her a ski she can grow into.

Have you asked on TGR yet?
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post #8 of 95
5/29/08 at 9:57pm
I agree with the weight vs surface thing, but one of the issues is getting up on the snow with no/low speed (water skier getting out of the water)

you need the surface for that.

150cm powder plus?

150 heli daddy (tele daddy, sugar daddy)
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post #9 of 95
5/29/08 at 10:22pm
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The Scratch BCs are what, 90mm in the waist? At 100 pounds, that ski has to support fewer pounds per square inch than my 195 Praxis Powders. I did the math on this stuff once.

Believe me, I understand Gear Acquisition Addiction better than most, but this seems like overkill.
This was my first thought, too. She already probably gets great float out of the scratch BC's, and I (not knowing her in the slightest of course) figured she wants to go longer and wider 'cause it's the cool thing to do.

On the other hand, at only 100 lbs, maybe she'll find that going even bigger hits a level of awesomeness that the rest of us can only dream about 'cause a snowboard on each foot is kinda awkward.

Seems like a demo would help to see if she actually likes/needs/wants the extra float. She might try out something else, like a goat, and realize that at her weight, it doesn't ski like she thought it would.

As for the Pocket Rocket suggestion, I guess it depends on what generation we're talking about, but the old PR's were only 90mm in the waist, I thought?
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post #10 of 95
5/29/08 at 10:34pm
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On the other hand, at only 100 lbs, maybe she'll find that going even bigger hits a level of awesomeness that the rest of us can only dream about 'cause a snowboard on each foot is kinda awkward.
I suppose that's fair. (Or unfair, depending on your perspective.)

But my point of reference is my soon-to-be-11-year-old daughter, who's about 2" and 10 pounds shy of the OP's, and who spent the past season teleing on 143 Line Celebrity Minis (80mm waist) without complaint.
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post #11 of 95
5/29/08 at 10:44pm
If these are a dedicated pow ski one to consider at her light weight is the Icelantic Scout Soft AT Twin Tip

Did you check with TheSkiDiva experts?
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post #12 of 95
5/29/08 at 10:45pm
168 gotama measure really like 155. they measure short in overall lenght and the Tip and tail turn up are huge. disregard that number I am pretty sure volkl only put it on there to stoke bro brah egos about riding long skis when they really arent.

If she skis fast enough and hard enough weight will not be an issue. basically ask yourself is she say top 5 percent of skis around that age and if she is I dont see a problem with it. guys who are in the 150lb range ski 190s all the time in this site, like I have told others before longer skis are easier to ski on here.

also i am going to be the only one that tells you this on this site, and have seen kids/smaller adults ski that ski fine.

although mtnlion has awesome idea sometime I generally would say that the 153 Heli daddy will be much more ski than the 168 gotama. For instance I thought my 173 Sugars were much harder to ski than my 183 gotama, and also didnt ski powder nearly as well as the volkls.
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post #13 of 95
5/30/08 at 9:18am
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If she skis fast enough and hard enough weight will not be an issue.
I think that's the key point, and since BW has an awful lot of experience with different kids skiing, that's probably the advice I'd listen to.
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post #14 of 95
5/30/08 at 2:56pm
My son is 13, 4'10" and ~90lbs. He has those same skis (Rossi scratch BC 150). He rocks them in powder in Tahoe. He loves them. Where did you mount them? Mounted on the rear of the two options would be better for powder.

That said, I've been considering a wider/longer ski for him as a pow-only weapon. I've talked with Keith about making a shorter Praxis - he's considered it, but not pulled the trigger. The short Bros are also a good option. 164 softs would probably be sweet for her. Icelantics look interesting too.
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post #15 of 95
5/30/08 at 9:02pm
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What Praxis ski was Keith thinking about making in a shorter length? I am considering the Powder RX with the recurve. My daughter loves the new snowflake graphic. It would be cool to get matching skis.
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post #16 of 95
5/30/08 at 9:09pm
If she's likely to grow a bit, consider getting her the 175 Praxis Powders. They are arguably the only true modern powder ski available in a size for smaller skiers. It beats me why more women have not ordered them.

There are lighter things out there - but IMO the Praxis kill it in powder, slush, etc.
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post #17 of 95
5/30/08 at 9:47pm
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The powders would probably be the best option for me since my current powder ski is the Sanouk, which I really like. I don't think I could trade it for something else quite yet. The Powder RX might be more overlap then the Powders would be. I'm not sure how much more she will grow. I'm 5'10", wife is 5'2". I'm sure she could grow into the 175s but it just sounds so long to me. And I was just informed that she only weighs 90 lbs and not 100. I let her read this and she was quite concerned that I had listed her at 100. The MTN Freeride in a 165 sounds more in line, I think I understand how the reverse side cut works so 175 may be ok. It just seems strange to me to have an 11 yr. old on 175s.
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post #18 of 95
5/30/08 at 9:56pm
I agree. That's why I didn't suggest it earlier. But as I look at some of the other suggestions, the Powders seem worth considering. They will ski more like a 165-ish conventional ski. Stance width could be a challenge for a tiny person...

As far as I can tell, unless Keith would do a custom for you the only ski Praxis makes that is shorter than the Powder is the park & pipe - and that's only 4 cm. And it is not reverse camber...

FWIW, at 90 pounds, I bet you could do worse than an old PR in 165. But if you are gonna look at more modern & bigger skis, you should put the Praxis on your list.
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post #19 of 95
5/31/08 at 8:35pm
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=94654&
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post #20 of 95
6/1/08 at 5:43pm
Last summer (07) I bought my then 12 year old daughter a pair of Volkl Queen Attiva powder skis. She is a very good skier who mostly skis off piste at Alta a couple of times a week. These were her first pair of adult skis. She did not like them the first time she used them; she complained about the weight and the flex, and put them back on the wall. A month or so later (with her legs built up more from a bit of skiing on her 06 Apache Jrs) she decided to take them out again after a big dump. She loved them and has been on them most of the time since then. She now hates her Jr skis and for her next birthday, she'll be getting a pair of ladies skis that I got for her on sale. My point is that there is a big difference between junior skis and ladies skis even for accomplished younger skiers. I would be very careful about buying adult skis without first really comparing weight and flex. I didn't pay enough attention to that before I bought the Queen Attivas and it took her awhile to adapt, and if the conditions hadn't cooperated, she still might not have changed back to the Volkls.
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post #21 of 95
6/1/08 at 6:11pm
I just saw that Kiku- the softer/lighter gotama footprint. I'd say that's a go if she is asking for it. (I originally thought it was the new Aura.)
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post #22 of 95
6/1/08 at 7:08pm
might want to look at tele or AT skis - generally softer flex and often the same mold as popular alpine skis. e.g. Rossi Powder Bird = 83mm B3 (?) with softer flex. but there are a lot of wider tele skis these days that you could mount alpine.
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post #23 of 95
6/1/08 at 8:21pm
Depending on the manufacturer kids skis often have little to do with the same named ski in the adult line.For example the Tigeshark Jr. is for entry level skiers. The GS RaceTiger is a great ski at 100lbs she should be able to rock that ski all over the mountain. The Gotama is a ridiculous choice for her. The Mantra JR. is actually a good sk iand designed for juniors.
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post #24 of 95
6/1/08 at 11:42pm
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Depending on the manufacturer kids skis often have little to do with the same named ski in the adult line.For example the Tigeshark Jr. is for entry level skiers. The GS RaceTiger is a great ski at 100lbs she should be able to rock that ski all over the mountain. The Gotama is a ridiculous choice for her. The Mantra JR. is actually a good sk iand designed for juniors.
your fuicking redicoulus and untill someone can tell me who you are I think everyone on this board should be really leary of someone who remains unknown at all cost.

This utah it actually snows here on most days there really isnt hard snow to speak of.
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post #25 of 95
6/2/08 at 12:09am
Bush, ya gotta layoff the drunken posts. (: kinda satirical coming from me.)

volkl skier, not a good idea to recommend somebody keep what they have when their asking for advice on how to add to the quiver. You may want to actually read the first post.
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post #26 of 95
6/2/08 at 5:29am
Hey UT powder:

Great question.

Although I haven't skied the Gotoma (Eastern Skier), I've seen it in shops ....and its a stiff, wide, heavy ski (even without the binding). I doubt that she would even be able to flex the ski. As a parent I'd be concerned that trying to maneuver the ski effectively could lead to possible injury (pulled muscles, falls, etc).

Your post caught my eye because I went thru a similar situation with my son earlier this year. He initially wanted the Volkl Wall 168, but after seeing it and trying to flex it, he eventually decided on the Volkl Ledge 168 as it was less bulky and the more practical for his everyday skiing needs. He hasn't looked back since.

I'd try to contact Sierra Jim or Dawg if I were you.

Good luck with your search.

RMP
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post #27 of 95
6/2/08 at 8:13am
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I'd try to contact Sierra Jim or Dawg if I were you.

Good luck with your search.
When the words "powder" and "skis" are in the same info request, these are two of the last people on the planet I'd ask for advice - right along with VS1. See a million prior threads...
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post #28 of 95
6/2/08 at 8:32am
Ouch !
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post #29 of 95
6/2/08 at 9:48am
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Bush, ya gotta layoff the drunken posts. (: kinda satirical coming from me.)

volkl skier, not a good idea to recommend somebody keep what they have when their asking for advice on how to add to the quiver. You may want to actually read the first post.
that was just tired working forever post, worst grammer for even me than normal lol.

still VS1.....
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post #30 of 95
6/2/08 at 10:31am
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volkl skier, not a good idea to recommend somebody keep what they have when their asking for advice on how to add to the quiver. You may want to actually read the first post.
Actually it's a very good idea. I did read the post. I don't think YOU did:

"Should I start looking for something wider and longer?"

The answer is NO.

In general the ability and technical knowledge of the vast majority of people on this board is marginal. But when you factor in children, it goes down to almost nil. For people to suggest that a 100lbs 11 year old should be on a 100+ adult ski is mind boggling.

My daughter just turned 11. I could have her on any ski in the Volkl line up and she skis the Racetiger GS in all conditions. She is lighter. She skis in powder all the time. Hobacks, Mushroom and alta and Alta chutes etc. Unlike some of the "powder skiers" here she leaves a beautiful track with round turns. Chances are your daughter also skis at a higher level than most here.

I would guess that most of the desire for this comes from seeing older kids and others on the long an fat skis. She'll be there soon enough.
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