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Gotama vs Soft Bro, 183cm

post #1 of 19
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Any thoughts on the differences/similiarities between these , both 183 cms, for light weight (155#) skier?

How perform on:
Groomers ?
Crud ?
Powder ?
Low/High speeds ?
Turn shape ?

Thanks :
post #2 of 19
i haven't skied the gotamas, but i HAVE skied the soft bros (in 188). and i think i have a pretty good idea of how the gotamas handle.

but, before i, or ANYONE, answers this question, i think you should tell us a little more about yourself. where do you ride? what is your skiing style like? what characteristics and feels do you like in your skis? i ask these questions because, on paper (or e-paper), you might be able to arrive at the "best" ski for you. but when you actually TRY it, you might find out that it was not at all what you were looking for. personally, i thought that i was going to love the different bro model skis that i tried. but i just didn't... but i refuse to go around bad-mouthing them, because i can see why OTHERS might be absolutely bananas about them... they just did not fit my personal style and preference in ski-feel
post #3 of 19
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Originally Posted by lukc View Post
i haven't skied the gotamas, but i HAVE skied the soft bros (in 188). and i think i have a pretty good idea of how the gotamas handle.

but, before i, or ANYONE, answers this question, i think you should tell us a little more about yourself. where do you ride? what is your skiing style like? what characteristics and feels do you like in your skis? i ask these questions because, on paper (or e-paper), you might be able to arrive at the "best" ski for you. but when you actually TRY it, you might find out that it was not at all what you were looking for. personally, i thought that i was going to love the different bro model skis that i tried. but i just didn't... but i refuse to go around bad-mouthing them, because i can see why OTHERS might be absolutely bananas about them... they just did not fit my personal style and preference in ski-feel
Ok,
I ski in the west only, 70% in Tahoe, 30% in UT/CO...
I am a level 8/9, former instructor, now older, and still pretty aggressive...
I am 50/50 power/finesse skier, and ski 50/50 on/off...(just a 50/50 kinda guy)...

My other ski is a 09 Blizzard Magnum 8.7, 174, for firm snow days w/o new snow, and I am 5'8" (and shrinking)/155#...also like Head Monsters and Elans, and never had the weight to bend many Volkls....

I like the feel of a stiffer stable ski, have never liked light/nervous skis (like older Dynastars/Rossis), and I use a fair amt. of tip pressure, but can ski old school (wt. on downhill ski), or new school (rolling ankles, 60/40)...

Thanks....
post #4 of 19
I have not skied the Got. I have two pairs of 188 Bros -- one pair of softs, one pair somewhere between soft and stiff.

At 155 pounds, I'd consider the 179 Bro. I weigh a little over 200, and the 188 softs are plenty of ski for me in almost every circumstance; I find them much more versatile than even the midsofts, and they hold an edge nicely on Western groomed snow. Don't be misled by the fact that they're called "soft."
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by nfp158 View Post
have never liked light/nervous skis
I know what you mean, I prefer a heavier ski too. That said I finally had a chance to ski the Gotama 183 last season and was shocked at how light it was. In fact of all the competing skis I tested that day, the Gotama was by far the worst...way too light/unstable compared to the competition. Bit of a shock as I heard so many good things about them...I'd give the Bros a shot before the Gotama any day. FYI - Here's a TGR thread that details contacts in various locations for Bro demos:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=107376

I plan on demoing the Bro 188 next season.
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by jay_p View Post
I know what you mean, I prefer a heavier ski too. That said I finally had a chance to ski the Gotama 183 last season and was shocked at how light it was. In fact of all the competing skis I tested that day, the Gotama was by far the worst...way too light/unstable compared to the competition. Bit of a shock as I heard so many good things about them...I'd give the Bros a shot before the Gotama any day. FYI - Here's a TGR thread that details contacts in various locations for Bro demos:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=107376

I plan on demoing the Bro 188 next season.
oddly enough... i ALSO like a heavier ski and i think that was the reason why i did not personally like the bros... i found them to be FAR lighter than my similarly sized mantras
post #7 of 19
The BRO model skis were designed with back-country skiing as a consideration, so they don't weigh a lot. This could be offset by putting some heavy metal bindings on them, I expect. From all I've heard they are a tremendously damp, resilient and versatile ski.

That said, I love heavy skis.
post #8 of 19
Can only compare 183 Goats to 179 soft Bros (Tahoe, not Euro made).

Here the Goats came out as a clear winner in every respect plus they aren't much, if any heavier. Stiffer, yes, but not unreasonably stiff to give you a spanking - better for more aggro skiing. If you also drive the tip (as I do) the added width works in your favor when skiing pow.

The Bros felt really noodly compared to all that and lacked edgehold despite the smaller waist. Their speed limit is well below the one of the Gotamas.

Both sticks seem to somewhat encompass the tip and tail curve in their length stats, the Goats a tad more than the Bros fwiw.

I'd say get the Goats, you won't be disappointed.
post #9 of 19
I don't care where you ski or what your stats are. I know you're a gear whore, much like the rest of us.
Buy the dang Bros and be done with it!!
Then you can add to the Review I started.
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
I don't care where you ski or what your stats are. I know you're a gear whore, much like the rest of us.
Buy the dang Bros and be done with it!!
Then you can add to the Review I started.
TC,
I would rather be a gear pimp ......hos work too hard!

alpine dad,
I think I'll focus on the 179 soft Bro instead of the 183...

Thanks for all the input...

NFP :
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
The BRO model skis were designed with back-country skiing as a consideration, so they don't weigh a lot. This could be offset by putting some heavy metal bindings on them, I expect. From all I've heard they are a tremendously damp, resilient and versatile ski.

That said, I love heavy skis.
I have the dukes mounted on mine and they are heavy, but I assume that is a lot of the binding weight.
post #12 of 19
I have heard the best things about the bro from the 183s to bad I have never skied on them....I have skied on the 179 soft, 179 Stiff, 179 Fat Stiffhttp://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=66359, 188 soft, 188 Stiff, 192 Stiffs, and 195 Superbros.

I also have owned the 183 Gotama http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=56017 and have skied on the 190s.

without skiing on the 183 Bro, I would say aslong as your willing to trade some pow performance for a better crud/hardpack ski the BRO 183 is the way to go. Also the 183 is being made in one of the best factories in the entire world. The build quality of these things is unbelievable good now. the gotamas arent so nice anymore. My old blackones seemed to be the skis that couldnt fall apart but the newer ones seems to fall apart.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
I have heard the best things about the bro from the 183s to bad I have never skied on them....
I got the 183s mounted with dukes to replace the fat bro, so next season you can test them out. Only got 2 days on them but they're pretty good.
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by bklyn View Post
I got the 183s mounted with dukes to replace the fat bro, so next season you can test them out. Only got 2 days on them but they're pretty good.
Are you keeping your old bros?
Those things are hall of fame material. Brooklyn Girl goes wild in the Mountains!!!
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
Are you keeping your old bros?
Yes.
Some nostalgia from Bariloche:

photo credit: MakersTelemark

And, no, you can't have them.
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by bklyn View Post
Yes.
Some nostalgia from Bariloche:

photo credit: MakersTelemark

And, no, you can't have them.
:
They deserve a proper place of honor.
I imagine you have a place all picked out.
post #17 of 19
Anyone know much stiffer are the Bro stiff vs soft?
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post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by lukc View Post
oddly enough... i ALSO like a heavier ski and i think that was the reason why i did not personally like the bros... i found them to be FAR lighter than my similarly sized mantras
I've never skied Bros...that's why I'm going to demo them. I'm not a Mantra fan either (way too light), thanks for the info.
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