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post #31 of 57
Although blunt, I agree with Gonz as well.

I live in East Boston and I see people who are on welfare yet they drive a better car then me.

Their priority is in a ice ride.

Mine is in skiing.

Yes, I make more money then they do but anyone who wants to ski can find the money or a way to do it often.
post #32 of 57
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Originally posted by Scalce:
Although blunt, I agree with Gonz as well.

I live in East Boston and I see people who are on welfare yet they drive a better car then me.*

Their priority is in a nice ride.

Mine is in skiing.
I agree with and welcome Gonzo's unsanitized, sugar-free comments. I often tire of the PC crowd and their ever-present tap-dancing . . . .

* My deceased father - from a different and decidedly pre-PC era - used to refer to people of lesser means driving nice cars with a less than flattering term. A term which I will leave to your imagination or recollection as the case may be.

What are your priorites?

Much the same as my children's education is a priority, skiing and snowboarding in our family is also a priority - yes, we do both. As such, our lives adjust when there's snow on the ground.

I can only give my children one education. And believe me, I'd love to have a 911 in the garage, but I'm spending that money on private school instead. Education, it's an oft stated priority in our home. If it weren't for my wife working at a resort, we might not have our season passes - even though we did prior to her resort employment. If it weren't for a long history in the ski industry and the relationships I maintain today, we wouldn't enjoy the gear that we do. The discounts and freebies make a big difference, but I'd like to think we would find a way to make it work if we had to pay full price.

While there are bargains to be had, the rules haven't changed you get what you pay for. And all the cool things are expensive, but expensive is a relative term. What price happiness . . . . has anybody seen my MasterCard? I'm in need of one of those priceless moments.
post #33 of 57
Well, I look at this way. I love skiing. What I do here on earth doesn't really matter so long as I manage my money well and take care of my family in the future, and you know what? I ca easily justify the cost of all my stuff.
Jacket: $50 I wear it everywhere.
Gloves: $40 They're warm and a lot cheaper than loosing fingers.
Skis/Boots/Bindings/Poles: $900 The way my resort charges for rentals, they'll be paid off in about 45 sessions (I.E. 30 days skiing.)
I can't put a price on skiing. It's the most fu thing I do. I don't take more than 1 trip a year (which costs me about $130). If I ever decide I can make the teaching quota at the local hill (12 lessons a week) I'll go work there, but for the time being, I get one day of skiing a week for about 15 weeks of the year. It's priceless.
If you wat to get ito expensive, buy a sailboat. I have a fried who has a Tartan 38. He talks about "boat units" all the time. A boat unit is the amount of money that one major purchase costs you. On his boat, a "boat unit" is about $1000. He's spent 10 boat units this year. In my opinion, for the amount of enjoyment it offers, skiing is one of the cheapest sports out there.
post #34 of 57
I thought the best (funniest) part of the
question was " 'GETTING' too expensive"!
post #35 of 57
Skiing is expensive relative to other sports with broad appeal. It is not expensive relative to niche sports (motor sports, hang gliding). And you have to consider transport costs (I, and everyone in Seattle, have to drive at least 50 miles one-way to local ski hill. I do it once or twice a week). Of course this is the same for hiking, fishing, other outdoor sports.

I think one of the key things is most of my non-skier friends, regardless of socioeconomic status, perceive skiing to be expensive.

Accessibility in every aspect (including cost) is one reason soccer is the world's most popular sport.

Did a quick search on google on avg annual cost of various sports.

Here's something from Australian govt(http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@....ight=0, sport)

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Source: Participation in Sport and Physical Activities, Australia, 1995-96 (41.77.0).

Golf was by far the most expensive of the 10 most popular sports or physical activities. Golfers each spent an average of $822 on their sport, while annual outlays by participants in the other nine sports/physical activities ranged from $224 for swimming to $422 for tenpin bowling.

The sports or physical activities found to incur the highest annual costs were horse riding ($1.833), motor sports ($1,653) and air sports (eg. parachuting. hang-gliding and model aircraft flying) ($1,301). At the lower end of the scale, the average cost met by people who participated in carpet bowls during 1995-96 was a modest $90 for the year. Other low cost organised pursuits were indoor soccer ($154), darts ($160) and walking ($171).
Random tidbits:

According to Ski Press USA magazine, average expenditure per family or single skier per year is $2560 (USD) and average income is $82000.

According to a Montana University study, avg daily expenditure for skiers visiting in winter is $134. Avg for snowmobilers is $188.

In the Pac NW we have a free magazine with articles, calendar info on outdoor sports (running, cycling, skiing, hiking, kayaking, etc.). Reader demographics: Avg household income $60K, average expenditure on gear $2180. 36% participate in downhill skiing, 20% in snowboarding, 67% road bike, 57% camping.
http://www.sportsetc.com/03%20SEMK%20Demographics.pdf

[ February 19, 2004, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: darrellcraig ]
post #36 of 57
Depends on how you look at it.To take your family skiing, it's punitive.I recently took our family of 4 to Stowe for a long weekend.2 days traveling, 3 days sking. Total cost including lift tickets, food,lodging was $2000. That's f'n insane for 3 days of skiing in marginal conditions.That is not high roller style either. We brown bagged lunch and ate dinner out.That does not count the misc. ski outfits etc purchased prior to the season.
Once or twice a year, I get away alone sometimes to British Columbia some times to Europe.A full week runs around $1500. including all expenses. That doesn't seem to bad.Traveling as a single or with a spouse it's affordable.Family skiing will bankrupt you.
post #37 of 57
I recently read an article in the Sydney Morning Herald that, in short, concluded that people derived the greatest satisfaction/benefit from purchases that produced an experience i.e. a vacation or, in this case, skiing (my own conclusion as it pertains here). Their example was new living room furniture which becomes part of your house's background in a few weeks as compared to a vacation that you remember and relive in your mind often bringing happiness. I can attest that my 6 months spent studying abroad in Australia was the best use of my time/funds that I could have done although it wasn't cheap. To get back to skiing, I'll remember ski weekends and powder dumps for much longer than some goods that I purchase. It is a matter of spending money on something you love doing that will produce memories and friendships (how sappy...)
post #38 of 57
Gonz.... Your single of course you can get by on 15,000. Before I married my hubby I could would go skiing making only 7,000 or less a yr, and I was in college.

The big difference I noticed is I have kids now. The cost of getting them Outfitted (cloths,gloves,two ski outfits for an accident, hats, scarves, longjonhs, boots and skis) can be costly, even with bargan shopping. And kids loose things too, so you have to have extra stuff with you.

The nice thing about the age they are now is they can ski free with my pass. I had gotten to go out to yesterday with a friend and had a blast with my girls. I wish I had bought a season pass when I had the chance to this summer, aw well. We packed lunches, my friend had older kids who watched and helped teach my girls to ski(they loved it). At one point we both felt everthing was under control and for the first time(in a looooonnnng time) I went skiing in a place where my hubby could not go. :ahhhh:

The down side is.... They out grow things faster than you can use them.... I am only glad I have two girls and can do the hand-down thing.

Then again... skiing is not a priority for my hubby.. Can you say Fight! I have to scrap money and hide it so I can take them skiing again.
post #39 of 57
You guys make me laugh. All I hear is how much everyone must sacrifice in order to ski, yet some keep arguing that skiing is not expensive. That simply does not make sense.

The only way to make skiing inexpensive is as follows:

- Live near a mountain (to get a season pass)
- Never travel to destination resorts (to save travel, accommodations and meals)
- Always buy used gear or gear that is on sale
- Wear modest ski gear
- Sacrifice many other luxuries if the above is not enough

Otherwise skiing is very expensive. Especially if you want other luxuries in life. I agree with one comment from gonz: there is no obligation on anyone to make skiing inexpensive. Skiing is a luxury (just like golf and many other activities), so it should be subject to market supply and demand. Period.

For whatever it is worth, I find skiing rather expensive. I spend a considerable part of my income on skiing, because I live in Toronto and much of my skiing has to be done in destination resorts (the local hill has only so much charm ). But nobody is holding a gun to my head to do this.
post #40 of 57
If you don't live near a resort. A way to save a bit on a ski trip is to join a local ski club. As I recall The lagest ski club in the country is based out of Miami Fla. Ski Clubs can get good deals on Packages to destination ski resorts. Also try and ski in the off periods of the Season such as a week or two after the Christmass holidays.
post #41 of 57
Getting???

My first set of gear cost around $400 in 1982. $200 +/- for Lange XLR boots, $200 +/- for Rossi Stratus skis & Marker bindings.

A lift ticket to Mid Atlantic areas was $20 day & $10 night.

That all sounds cheap, but considering inflation it is probably more affordable now than then.
post #42 of 57
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Getting expensive???
When I said I thought the orignal question was rhetorical . . . . I wasn't kidding. :
post #43 of 57
1. I spend a lot less during a skiing Saturday than during a non-skiing Saturday.

2. My SEASON pass, limited only by the number of days in the ski season, cost only $249. One HOUR of my professional time costs my client a lot more than that.

3. In relative terms, skiing is not expensive.
post #44 of 57
Compare it to golf. A round of golf will cost basically anywhere from $15 on a really crappy course to $300+ at places like Pebble Beach. Depending on location, decent public courses are often $25-$50. Around here a membership at a public course ranges from $1400-$2200, private memberships are a good bit more expensive. Equipment costs are probably comparble, but I never loose my balls when skiing. When I think about the uncertainty of seasons that ski resorts have to survive, the overhead for keeping everything in operation for a season that doesn't extend across the full year, and only god knows how much liability insurance, I'm not at all surprised at skiing costs. I'd like to see some data on inflation adjusted costs -- Is it really more expensive now than 20 years ago?
post #45 of 57
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Originally posted by Karsten Hain:
expensive? .... My only advice? When interviewed about your motivations, don't say "free ticket", unless they name it as a job benefit specifically, say you love the sport and want to get involved with it any way you can.
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Posted by Bryan:
No chance I would hire you, I'd know you weren't telling the truth.
That's why people patrol, isn't it? The love of the sport?

I'd be a patroller, but you wouldn't want me hanging around, skiing all damn night for free, and barking at the snotnosed little boarder bastards that take down fencing and go where they shouldn't. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]

Or WOULD YOU?
post #46 of 57
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That's the best of Gonz - not liberal, not conservative, not politically correct. He's right, though, and I agree with the import of his post.
thanks, Br'er Oboe... but what about the export?

{bah dum dum... tsssss}

anyone else want corn? [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
post #47 of 57
If you squeeze, ferment and distill the corn, then export it over here. I'm about ready for a JD.
post #48 of 57
I'm staying at the Mount Washington Hotel Saturday night, 4 course meal, free breakfast, and skiing on Sat and Sun for 2 people for $350 because they have available rooms they can't move. They usually require a 2 night minimum.

Of course I just got back from skiing at Loon and Attitash while staying for two nights at a hotel for free because of a timeshare sales pitch and then stayed three nights at the Sugarbush Inn with free breakfast and three days of skiing for $430 by buying a certificate on Ebay that someone won at a Warren Miller screening.

You can find deals everywhere.

People have condos and houses on Craig's list also.
post #49 of 57
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Originally posted by SnO*Eagle:

I had gotten to go out to yesterday with a friend and had a blast with my girls. I wish I had bought a season pass when I had the chance to this summer, aw well. We packed lunches, my friend had older kids who watched and helped teach my girls to ski(they loved it). At one point we both felt everthing was under control and for the first time(in a looooonnnng time) I went skiing in a place where my hubby could not go. :ahhhh:
[img]tongue.gif[/img]

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Then again... skiing is not a priority for my hubby.. Can you say Fight! I have to scrap money and hide it so I can take them skiing again
Or the hubby thinks that EVERYONE in the family should go and that the parental units shouldn't get to go together sans kiddos. : :
post #50 of 57
[quote]Originally posted by gonzostrike:
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anyone else want corn? [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
:::::::::WAIL::::::::::

I don't want no stinkin' corn. I'm up to my ears in it!
post #51 of 57
Is skiing expensive? Depends.
Usually I make ~30-35 days at season.
I stopped to purchase season passes couple of years ago.
It is just boring to go to the same place at least ~10 times
per season in order to justify the purchase. So, I'm spending some ~15 days at different home slopes in WA/OR, another ~12 in BC/AB and some ~8 days(usually three weekends) in CA/CO.
(Btw, taking vacations is not only hurting financially).
It is no way I'll take non ski-in/out lodge at resort. It is no way I'll buy second hand skis.
My point is Skiing with style is expensive - but very enjoyable.
post #52 of 57
I was looking at a map of Sunday River from 1982. $22 for a 2 day lift ticket!!
post #53 of 57
Let me take you back to the 70's. When I was 16, at Statton if you helped clean up the lodge for an hour at the end of the day they would comp you a free ticket for the next day. My son and I skied Stratton one day during the holiday week between this past Christmas and New Year - $127.

Is is too expensive? Who can say. When I was a kid and had no money I found a way to ski. Now that I have money I mostly pay for it. I guess what I'm trying to say is where there's a will there's a way. How's that for a cliche
post #54 of 57
yes
post #55 of 57
It's certainly a lot more expensive in the resorts I've been to in Canada and the US than it is in many European resorts. Last time I was at Lake Tahoe I was paying around $50 per day, even after multi-day discounts, for a single resort. A lift pass for the huge Dolomiti Superski area in Italy, with 12 large linked ski areas, works out at less than half the price per day.

I asked someone why it was so expensive in the States, and they put it down to American litigation culture - if people fall over and hurt themselves while skiing, they tend to sue the resort (because the ground was slippery, or something), so the resort has to bank some money against this.

I don't know how true this is, but it's certainly believable. We are, alas, beginning to get the same poisonous culture starting to creep in here in Britain. If something bad happens, it's always got to be someone's fault, someone you can sue. It's a slippery slope, to use an appropriate metaphor.

J2R
post #56 of 57
J2R, you are definetely correct. People just don't want to take reponsibility for their actions.
skiing is as expensive as you make it. The Southeast is very expensive. $53 a day for 20 trails and a 1200 vertical. On the other hand, I skiied yesterday 9-5 for $18 on a samller mountain.

If you compare skiing to others sports such as soccer, it is extremely expesive. You can buy a good ball for $20 and that's it. Skiing you have to buy skis, binding, jackets, and boots, at the very least. I spent $50 for all of my equipment this year. I got the skis free and the boots for $50 on ebay. I skiied 10 days for probobly $800 for everything.
post #57 of 57
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Originally posted by Jules:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SnO*Eagle:

I had gotten to go out to yesterday with a friend and had a blast with my girls. I wish I had bought a season pass when I had the chance to this summer, aw well. We packed lunches, my friend had older kids who watched and helped teach my girls to ski(they loved it). At one point we both felt everthing was under control and for the first time(in a looooonnnng time) I went skiing in a place where my hubby could not go. :ahhhh:
[img]tongue.gif[/img]

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Then again... skiing is not a priority for my hubby.. Can you say Fight! I have to scrap money and hide it so I can take them skiing again
Or the hubby thinks that EVERYONE in the family should go and that the parental units shouldn't get to go together sans kiddos. : : </font>[/quote]Hehehe Sorry Jules... it was a last min thing.

Hubby really isnt into skiing... he doesnt like to spend the money.
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