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Next Year's Kid Skis--System Bindings?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I was in my local ski shop taking advantage of the after season pricing on a few items. One item I've been interested in is a new pair of skis for my stepdaughter (9 years old, mini shredder, has outgrown her old pair of last generation Dynastars that were hand-me-downs from her older brother). The ski shop guy said that it would be better to wait for next year's skis because it was his understanding that a number of makers were going to be putting system bindings onto kid skis. Does anyone have any more information on this? Thanks.
post #2 of 20
Don't have any news, but Völkl already have the Marker Junior Motion bindings on the Racetiger Motion Jr. Head has Head/Tyrolia RailFlex Lite on the Team Speeds (RFL 4.5 and RFL 7). Could be more models and more brands are going the same way.
post #3 of 20
Even if true, that's no reason to wait. The benefits of system bindings are arguable at best, even on adult skis. I can't imagine any benefits for kids skis. And since you'd be buying new gear, you'd be paying full price.
post #4 of 20
The only benefit I see is that the bindings will most likely be on tracks so they can grow with boot size (and shrink if handed down to the next kid). But, that is only a benefit if you plan to use them over several years or re sale them to someone else that might have a different boot size.
post #5 of 20
I would think the biggest advantage with a systems approach for kids skis would be the ability to adjust the bindings without having to remount the bindings to different different size ski boots.
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
The only benefit I see is that the bindings will most likely be on tracks so they can grow with boot size (and shrink if handed down to the next kid). But, that is only a benefit if you plan to use them over several years or re sale them to someone else that might have a different boot size.
I don't get as worried about redrilling kids skis. But I've only had to do so once, probably because the heels usually have a lot of adjustability. But if you're that worried about it, you can always put demos on them.
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 
System bindings would be better for me because, in addition to my stepdaughter, the are other kids in our family configuration (I've got a daughter who usually boards but who skis sometimes, and my stepdaughter has some other siblings) who might be using these skis at different times and it will be of great value to be able to adjust the bindings on the fly for each user's boots. Demo bindings would also work, and I haven't ruled them out.

But back to my original question--has anyone seen anything to indicate that we will be seeing more system bindings on kids' skis in '08-'09?
post #8 of 20
System bindings are the biggest scam in the ski business - pay more for gear that can't be interchanged between brands and provides no real benefit...

If you want interchangability, demo bindings are the way to go.
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan View Post
System bindings are the biggest scam in the ski business - pay more for gear that can't be interchanged between brands and provides no real benefit...
True

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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan View Post
If you want interchangability, demo bindings are the way to go.
Partly true. Head Railflex is nearly as easy as demo bindings with less weight and a tighter feel than some demo bindings.
post #10 of 20
I'll be willing to bet that it will be cheaper to buy skis with the integrated binding system assembled in the factory than to buy skis and bindings seperately and have a shop install them, especially if they are demo bindings. But, it may take a year or two for the price to come down in the skis with integrated bindings due to competition.
post #11 of 20
I don't know if I'd call it a scam, or say they can't be interchanged. I've moved RailFlex bindings from ski to ski and even reused/remounted RF plates on different skis. I think there needs to be a distinction between bindings that only fit on a particular ski and bindings that can go on any ski. As far as I am concerned, systems like RF are no different than regular bindings in terms of mounting them on any flat ski, and they offer a couple features like easy adjustment of boot size and position.
post #12 of 20
Totally agree with skier219. As a recent example, I had RailFlex II SL10s on a pair of XRCs. Bought LD12s as an upgrade and they included a set of rails. Mounted the rails myself on an old pair of Dynastar Outlands. Its just 8 screws per ski, pretty much like any flat binding really. Decided to junk the Outlands, so I had the rails remounted on the wife's new/old Foils. Now, in theory, I can borrow the Foils by sliding her bindings off, and my bindings on. I say in theory as I'm not sure I want to be skiing 158cm Foils, but you never know. I can lend my XRCs to anyone who pops by, no matter what BSL. I can play with the mounting point if I want to. I can buy a different pair of RFII skis from Fischer, Head or Elan and just slap my bindings on them - no mounting costs and no adjustment. In fact, Head/Tyrolia probably lost money on that deal - my gain!
post #13 of 20
219 is correct, but addressing OP's initial question, just picked up a pair of this past season's kid's Head 107 cm (graphics look like Superspeeds) with Tyrolia plate/mount that can be adjusted easily to different boot sizes. Very nice price. This is the shortest size I could find in the Heads or anything else, your daughter would obviously take something longer.

Look at Level Nine Sports or Ski Universe.
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by The Big Skibowski View Post
System bindings would be better for me because, in addition to my stepdaughter, the are other kids in our family configuration (I've got a daughter who usually boards but who skis sometimes, and my stepdaughter has some other siblings) who might be using these skis at different times and it will be of great value to be able to adjust the bindings on the fly for each user's boots.
Changing them on the fly for different skiers??? Aren't you concerned about their safety? Or, are you having them release checked each time?
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by chanwmr View Post
Changing them on the fly for different skiers??? Aren't you concerned about their safety? Or, are you having them release checked each time?
Objection your honour. My learned colleague is leading the witness....

Of course he won't be having them release checked every time. Who would? Sheesh - you adjust the bindings for weight, ability and boot sole length. For most kids who could use the same length skis you won't get much more than 0.25 difference on the scale anyway, unless you're deliberately turning them up to run gates with. If the bindings are in spec at one setting, they'll still be in spec with an extra turn on the screw, for all practical intents and purposes.

And yes, I am a parent with a very active 6.5 year old and I take his gear maintenance, and his safety, very seriously.
post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by chanwmr View Post
Changing them on the fly for different skiers??? Aren't you concerned about their safety? Or, are you having them release checked each time?
there is no better way to get money out of people that to tell them their safety is involved is there? don't people realize that all those warnings and disclaimers on ski bindings are there for the purpose of limiting the manufacturers' liability? adjusting bindings is hardly rocket science. you should spend a night out at the bar with your local shop rat and see if you still feel safer for having him set your DIN. I wonder how you feel about driveway mechanics who fix their own brakes? they must just have a death wish or something, huh? why, there oughtta be a law...
post #17 of 20
Thread Starter 
Wow, this thread is suffering from an extreme case of "thread drift."

Squawker, your objection is SUSTAINED. Thank you.

I am a lifelong garage mechanic, and also a lifelong binding self-adjuster. Today's bindings are definitely much simpler to adjust than those of yesteryear, and the variations in the DIN settings for the kids in my group (the DIN chart that shops work off of is available online) are small or even nonexistent. So in almost all cases it's just a matter of getting the binding's toe (in the case of a railflex-type system) and heel moved to the correct location and ensuring that the forward pressure is set properly, none of which is rocket science.

Anyway, I am still hoping for someone who is "in the know" in the ski industry to answer the question in my original post...(and I will also continue to monitor the Ski Depot website as they seem to be posting the '08-'09 skis as and when they get the information from the manufacturers)
post #18 of 20
FWIW, I got regular bindings so that I could move the bindings to my daughter's next pair of skis, since the bindings should work for her until she's at least 30 lbs. more than she is right now...
post #19 of 20
Hey Bigski...

I have a 14 yr old going to his third ski and fifth boot in 5 yrs. For what its worth, I see nothing wrong with the system binding concept in kids skis because they grow like weeds.

I purchased his second skis 10 cm long (Volkl Supersport Jr with system binding) just get the second year out of them. They were great ! In the meantime, his foot grew three boot sizes and it was nothing for the shop to adjust bindings.

I already have a buyer for them which may not have been the case if there was a second or third set of holes drilled into the skis.

Just my personal opinion.

Take care.

RMP
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan View Post
System bindings are the biggest scam in the ski business - pay more for gear that can't be interchanged between brands and provides no real benefit...

If you want interchangability, demo bindings are the way to go.
Yup.

Not to mention that they add an unbelievable amount of weight, which is bad enough for adults, but would be horrible for kids.


My 196cm 136mm underfoot comi kazis mounted with all metal race bindings (p18s) weigh less than some sub 170cm carving skis with system demo bindings. Craziness.
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