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post #31 of 55
In Rossi Smash's first photo, the ski second from the right with the Smuggler's Notch sticker is the Explosiv "R" SL. Circa 89/90...give or take one year.

They were a step down from the P9 series. I had a pair of 200s and used them for 3-4 years until I was slamming bumps on Clare's Way at Hunter and snapped one in half!
post #32 of 55
I had a pair of Vertigo Free's, which I never saw anywhere except at the shop here in Milan where I bought them. This must have been back in 2000 or so. They were fun, though I always wondered if they weren't some illegitimate knockoff made in Albania or something. Took them to both Alta and JH, so they had a good life before being destroyed on early season rocks at the SkiareaValchiavenna in about 2002.
post #33 of 55
Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post
Current state of the Volkl stash
Perhaps you should be "Volkl Stash", instead of "Rossi Smash".

Unless, of course, you're smashing your Rossi's for more Volkls.
post #34 of 55

Which Volkl's to use?

I have been out of it for awhile. I used to be instructor in my younger times and until a year or 2 ago was still skiing with P9 RS Super's (the bright green ones) lenght 203. I love those ski's but sadly enough they delaminated at the front. I have tried some carvings since but do not seem to find anything that I like. I find them fairly unstable at higher speeds. Maybe some of you guys up-to-date on whats out there could recommend me something which would work for me after my RS Super's?
Any suggestion (even none Volkl) greatly appreciated.
post #35 of 55
Lizzy, "carvers" (shaped skis) are here to stay, current WC trends have reverted a it bit, but more or less all skis have some sort of shape...
Today's sidecut is what makes a ski to appear unstable at "high speed" but, then, what is "high speed" ?
With the Rs9 Super you could still carve, but very wide arcs, and go straight, thus an high "linear" speed, when you had to turn short tunr, either a wedeln or some sort of tail slipping would have occured (so slowing your speed at a given point in space/time)
Consider this, with a shaped ski you keep an higher speed during the course of the turn. Of course if you go "straight" then they will appear to "chatter". But that's not what they were designed for.
What you could do is to approach the shapes gradually, i.e. you were on P9RS (same as me, I had 205), well, then try and find some used P40 F1 (193 would be a good length down from 203, I don't know your stats, I have the P40 F1 in 198 and am 175 cm tall x 74-80 kg, depending on the season and if I can control myself during lunches or not)...
Once you will get used to those shapes, then go a notch further and take a shorter and with more sidecut.
Or, you could totally jump the fence and go immediately shorter/more shaped.
This if you plan on staying on GS-like skis...my friends tendency is to stay on 180cm GS-like skis (Italians are very fond of GS skis)... This fall at a sale I bought two pairs of very used 188cm GS skis (Salomon V2 and Stoeckly Laser GS, total cost 64€) to use as rock skis and experiment, to give to my sons to "play"...
If you plan other things, well, current day offer is so wide and different that you can be overwhelmed by it...
Off-piste/deep? Mid-fat to very fat...
Groomers/moderated off-piste? A stiff mid fat will do good (I have 2006 Nordica Hot-Rod Top Fuel in 178cm W78mm, this year B-day&Xmas gift from GF&Family)
Or a good all-round ski with 70mm waist...

But, most importantly, if you don't "feel" the new shapes, take some lessons an instructor will help you take the necessary technique adjustments, as an ex-instructor you'll catch up quickly.

In short, shaped skis "force" you to change your "skiing philosophy", straight at high spee it's not what they are intended for.
post #36 of 55
Many thanks for your reply. Really appreciate your effort and time.
Interesting and indeed it is a bit overwhelming today’s offer. I know carvings are here to stay and I am a bit at a loss. I come from the old Swiss type school, skis glued together no matter what. Beautiful to look at, rubbish in competition. Nevertheless I really enjoy the elegancy of this way of skiing. Carvings make it hard though, the shape really gets in the way for this technique and as you described at higher speeds they tend to shatter. I could easily put more French style into my skiing and all would be solved, problem is I don’t really enjoy skiing this way. So will I really have to compromise on my style if want change over to what’s on the market today?
post #37 of 55
Welcome to epic Lizzy!
These are interesting questions - they should probably be asked in the "Ski Technique and Analysis" forum or you can start a new thread here in the "Ski Gear Discussion" forum. Few will see this question buried here in Rossi Smash's Volkl museum thread!

I went from the Volkl P20 sl in 205cm to a shaped Volkl P40 F1 gs ski in 193cm. I'd say now 193 is/was ridiculously long for east coast mainly groomed skiing. The year I was demoing shape skis I used to take every one of them to the same trail at the end of the day and go straight down in a tuck. All I knew is that I didn't want some damn shaped ski that couldn't go straight! I think that desire ended when I tested out the Volkl P30 carver of the day - the platypus tip ski. (see this thread). I guess for some reason I had too much fun turning that thing so I didn't as much care - I was going to buy it! Shop was sold out but had next years P40F1 so I bought that.

Forget the go down to 193cm, then go less and less. Life's too short - we basically wasted time getting to the fun stuff!! Get someone who can relate to your past but who teaches now to show you the difference in technique.

Why don't you try the Stockli Laser SC in like a 175 ish length? You could even get one that's a little older. You'll be quite surprised at the stability when they're in an arc. Sure, maybe not dead flat and straight but how often do you do that anyway?
post #38 of 55
Thread Starter 
I posted this in another thread but this is where it really belongs......so

Updated state of the Volkl Stash;

post #39 of 55
I bought my P9 SL's in the mid-late 1980's and as of last season they still kicked ass. At the time most of them were lime green, but my pair are graphite black with stripes.

Bought my P10 GS in 1992.

As a kid growing up I remember seeing some Renntigers in the late 1960's or early 1970's - white and bright orange zebra stripes. They seemed all the rage with instructors for a year or two then disappeared.
post #40 of 55
Yes I posted this in another thread but I'm moving it here so your library is more complete.

Originally Posted by Tog View Post
Hey Levitt welcome to epic!!

I suppose if you got friendly with Rossi Smash and lived nearby you could go through stages of ski evolution and end up on something current. I still think epic's idea of just going straight to the carve shop is a good way to do it.
btw Rossi - getting better everyday! Perhaps you can help Levitt with his binding issue. Has that ever stopped you?

Geez, I remember when I demoed that P10 slalom! I'd been out of skiing for awhile and when I tried that I was blown away. First ski I ever tried that the harder you pushed on it the more it gave back! It might have been better than the P20?

The Snow Rangers! When I went to Taos - I think it was '99 I went up a lift with a woman who had those on. I think they'd been out of production for a bit at that time no? She was fairly old and was well known to everyone at Taos as she'd been around for years. She was one of the original Bogner girls!
post #41 of 55
Ok you two, you just need a dose of Hot Dog The Movie !
Rossi, this could be the theme song to your living museum.
Prince's "When You Were Mine" done by Mitch Ryder

"I love you more than I did when you were mine..." -theme of the collection?

post #42 of 55
Anybody remember what year/p-series the RSL was from? It was blue and had a GS side cut with solid edge on one side and SL side cut with cracked edge on the other side. I'm thinking it was a P20, but just can't remember.
post #43 of 55


Originally Posted by TrickySr. View Post

I have been a fan of Volkl for many years and have most of the consumer brochures going back to 96/97. (If you have a specific question, I may be able to look it up.) I believe most of the information put forth so far has been mostly accurate, with some minor errors.

I'll try to put some time frame on some of their "series of skis."

As memory serves, Volkl was originally imported into the US late '60s early '70s(?) by a distributor named Beconta. (Also distributed Look bindings and Nordica boots)
Primary, US imported ski models then, were the Zebras and Tigers; they created a model in 1970(?) called the Sapporo prior to the '72 Olympics in Sapporo, Japan.
Volkl mostly faded from the US market around the mid-70s, due to unreliable delivery of product in the US; apparently, due to strong sales in Europe.(This is memory and may not be entirely reliable.) New distribution in the US (early to mid '80s) led to their current market position.

Generally, Volkl GS skis are red (Pink or Purple P9 RS were exceptions); Slaloms are yellow.

Most Renntigers(considered an all mountain, "combi" ski) were yellow with black sidewalls,last "yellow-years" had white sidewalls;then in late '80s (when most Volkls were "graphite") the Renntiger had yellow highlights.
I am not aware of a lime green Renntiger. There were lime green P9/P10 SLCs(soft slaloms.)

In the '80s, Volkl's racing skis used the "Explosiv" name designation.

The "P" series began with the P9 name based on the idea of that a "perfect 10" was impossible, therefore, the P9. (Obviously, this concept was not held to by their marketing department.)
I believe the following are fairly accurate timelines:
P9 -- 1991, 1992,1993
P10 -- 1994,1995
P20 -- 1996, 1997(in 1997 they also introduced a P11:all-mtn,high perf.)
P30 -- 1998,1999; Orange Race Carver(RC)
P40 -- 2000: Red/White F1 Race Carver(GS), OrangeRC(all-mtn) both have plastic "wart" on tip
P40 -- 2001(Wart goes away; skis use "energY' construction)
Black w/Red F1(GS; all-Mtn); Black w/green(same ski w/"energYrail" binding plate
P50 -- 2002 F1(GS) is green!
P50 -- 2003 Back to Red/GS and Yellow/Slalom;Integrated binding systems are all called "Motion"
P60 -- 2004, 2005
Racetiger -- 2006,2007,2008 New racing ski designation

Volkl, as a smaller ski company, has always produced numerous models but in limited quantities.

I'll try to address the all mountain groups,etc. in another reply.

Uh-hem (Cough)... You forgot one of Volkl's best set of boards in there and one of my personal favorites - Volkl Vario P19!


My lovely wife decided while I was at work one fine day to liberate our basement of skis I did not use often and elected to donate my 205 P19s, P20SL and P20GS to Purple Hearts!!! Who would of thought they would have taken skiis???


But that is not the point - I should have divorced her on the spot! Now I am looking to re-aquaint myself with these skiis (P19) so if any of you have an angle here for me please let me know.


As for others... I started on the cheap Volkl Competitions and then off to a slightly used pair of P9s. Then a move P10 and back to P9ssmile.gif


Shortly after I picked up the P19's for $350.00 at the Chicago Ski Show and these puppies took nearly 2 full seasons to get used to. After running lose of friends on the slopes I would have a buddy or two give these boards a shot only to have them returned after 1 run and plenty of "HELL NO - NEVER AGAIN!"


They were blistering fast and at the right speed and witht he right control carved some seriously wonderful long arcs!


I updated to the P20's and then a pair of P30s which like the P19 too some getting used to. They are now my favorite skis of the lot.

When kids came into the picture I needed something slower in order to teach them to ski so I picked up the Vertigos - just a dead lump IMO. I would not even sell them to anyone or give them away for free! I quickly found a pair of Volkl P60's that were just right - carved and manageble on the slow as well as up to a moderate speed.


The unique thing is that each ski in my lot is enormously different - not just from different eras. The P60 is forgiving and useful out West and in the Midwest when I am with the family. The P30 is for skiing with my long time ski pal (expert skiers) on the ice in MidWest. The P19s were rocking on Aztec on Ajax in years past!

post #44 of 55

Or you could do like me...turn your back on the entire "shaped" generation and enjoy the classic skis of which there are plenty to be had for next to nothing on ebay or craigslist. I HATE shaped skis of all types and there is no need for you to compromise your elegant style to accomodate these design athrocties... stay classic, buy classic!

post #45 of 55

I beg to differ regarding the debut date that is listed for the P9. I bought a pair of the 205 handbuilt slaloms at Curry's in NJ in the year 89 and they were last years model then, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to afford them. They were perhaps my all time favorite ski, quick and stable. I still have them and used them last season a couple times but the left ski has a noticable bend in the front from mogul bashing. I am looking to replace and I have a pair of P19 on the line right now on German ebay (I live in Sweden). I was not familiar with the model since I was still in love with my P9s when they came out. I assumed ity was an updated version of the P9 so therefore it too must come in a SL and an RS model (Reisenslalom is German for Giant Slalom). I sent off a message to the seller requesting the info since I couldn't make out any details in the little photo that accompanied the auction. He sent back that he is not the original owner and knows nothing about skiing but he looked everywhere and couldn't find any text or graphics that contained the valuable info SL or RS??? Are the P19 strictly a Giant Slalom model? I was really hoping for a Slalom but I guess I could deal with a GS as a consolation. Anyone out there got any info for me quick? The auction closes in a few days. Thanks

post #46 of 55

I owned a pair dayglo yellow P9 SL's, (just like the ones pictured a few posts previous) in the late 80's so your date is off a bit. I think they came out in '88, replacing the Weltcup which I also owned.

post #47 of 55

You veteran tech guys are tending to miss out on listing these p19slx (195 cm). They skied great at speed last season! Any info about them would be appreciated!

post #48 of 55



I'm rocking on 2011 Race Tigers and swapping out with Volkl Rip It's when I'm with the kids.


I just reached out to an owner of the p19 skis across the pond in hoping I may reunite with some of my old fondness of the brand.


We'll see if I can get my hands on them. I'd love to give em a nice tune and run a few turns - comparing them to my Racetigers.

post #49 of 55

I agree, got the Vertigos when I was teaching my kids, but boy, no control over the tail, once I jumped on some P40s, I knew where I needed to be!



Originally Posted by aportinga View Post


 I picked up the Vertigos - just a dead lump IMO. 

post #50 of 55

I have a pair of Platinum P40 Volkls at 200cm where do they fit into the line up?

post #51 of 55
Originally Posted by TQA View Post

I have a pair of Platinum P40 Volkls at 200cm where do they fit into the line up?


P40 was a race ski circa 2000. The "Platinum" designation means that they were toned down a bit for the rec market, so basically a more forgiving, less-stiff version of their full on  race ski.  But at 200cm I'll bet they are still a handful.


I still have a pair of P50 Platinum skis in 178 which have a nominal turning radius in the low 20 meters.  I would expect that your older longer boards are somewhere in the low 30 meter range.


As for what they are worth today, you could probably trade them for a Latte at Starbucks if you are willing to kick in a couple bucks to sweeten the deal.

post #52 of 55

I think my son finally throw out my out G31's in 178cm after he bought my house a few years back. I'll have to ask him, they were next to his Salomon Super Axe Teams.


I've pretty much had one of every Freeride ski Volkl had produced, except for the EXP's. I started out on the G30 (1999), G31, G3, AX3, AC4, AC40, Kendo.


I also have the last year of the full camber Gotama's.

post #53 of 55


post #54 of 55
Originally Posted by narc View Post
Originally Posted by Walt View Post
The P50 F1 was the GS racing ski - I don't think it had a FIS legal version, since this was before they started cracking down on "cheater" sidecuts, but I might be remembering it wrong.
I rented a pair of P50 F1s (the green ones) back in the day not knowing what they were since they looked innocent enough (ie. didn't have OMG RACE!! all over them). They were really too much ski for me back then, stacks of edge hold, stiffer than anything I had ever skied and fast as hell. Only internet research later confirmed what they were!

You mean they're not the ones I should have been skiing in the trees last weekend?  Who knew?

Edited by Ghost - 2/5/14 at 2:32pm
post #55 of 55
Originally Posted by Alfa Sport View Post


who are you yelling at?

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