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post #1 of 23
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Eight Belles' tragic end overshadows Big Brown's win

http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing...rown's-win

My Father was from Kentucly originally. I watch the Derby every year and bet on it when I have access to an OTB. I'm not sure that I will ever watch horse racing again after what happenned yesterday.
post #2 of 23
I didn't see it, I'm glad. I heard a comment on the radio on Friday. The analyst stated that the current group of elite horses have been inbred to a dangerous existent. One of the comments stated was that these animals are now fragile.

Michael
post #3 of 23
Saw it, and yes it was sad.
post #4 of 23
8 Belles was a Philly but as large as most of the Colts. Perhaps her size had something to do with her demise. Both Ankles makes me wonder. She finished second in the world's greatest Horses race.
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by WILDCAT View Post
I didn't see it, I'm glad. I heard a comment on the radio on Friday. The analyst stated that the current group of elite horses have been inbred to a dangerous existent. One of the comments stated was that these animals are now fragile.

Michael
Worth looking into, but I'm leaning on the steroids as the major cause. There's no rules at all against using steroids on horses in horse racing. If weak bones to muscle mass ratios was a major inbreeding issue wouldn't we also be seeing similar problems in dog breeding kennels? Especially among Pitt Bulls?
post #6 of 23
I believe these racing horses only have to be one year old. Many race at 2 years old. Many are retired by 3-4 years.

Horses haven't even completely finished bone growth at 2 years of age.

Can you imagine putting your 14 year old kid out on the track? Telling your kid to run until they die?

Its all about fast money. Win a race and then the horse is worth big money on the breeding circuit. The faster the turn around the better. The breeding circuit is where the real money is.
post #7 of 23
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The Kentucly Derby is for three year olds, still growing some at that age I suppose.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
Worth looking into, but I'm leaning on the steroids as the major cause. There's no rules at all against using steroids on horses in horse racing. If weak bones to muscle mass ratios was a major inbreeding issue wouldn't we also be seeing similar problems in dog breeding kennels? Especially among Pitt Bulls?
Yesterday''s Wall Street Journal had an article regarding the inbreeding issue (I'd link to the article but you must have a subscription to read it so I'll have to summarize). In the article they say that all 20 horses in the Derby had a horse called Native Dancer in their pedigrees. Eight Belles had the most Native Dancer having it's DNA come from a line though 3 grandparents. Apparently Native Dancer was a champion horse in the 50's and is noted by horse breeders for it's descendants ability to transmit the the size, speed and stamina to excel at the Derby. The article also states that the last 14 Kentucky Derby winners are descendants of Native Dancer, including Big Brown and Barbaro.

Native Dancer also had it's career cut short by leg injuries so thus the speculation regarding the problems suffered by Eight Belles and inbreeding.
post #9 of 23
Sad that these beautiful horses are dying (being killed) because of a sport that they did not choose to participate in.
post #10 of 23
A lot of speculation on when a horse stops 'growing.' Some breeds 2-3 years. Some 5 years, some up to 8 evidently.

Steroids definately could contribute problems in developing bones.

But, I only know enough about horses to get myself in trouble.

It is sad to see horses treated like this.:

We have 2 horses in our 'Zoo'. I like to think of them as overgrown dogs.

I think my wife would like to move them in the house. (and me outside)
post #11 of 23
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Can you imagine putting your 14 year old kid out on the track?
You mean like on a high school track or cross country team?
post #12 of 23
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Telling your kid to run until they die?
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I've never seen any human euthanized at a track meet.

Human steroid abuse is usually voluntary.
post #13 of 23
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I've never seen any human euthanized at a track meet.

Human steroid abuse is usually voluntary.
Here was your whole original post:
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Originally Posted by Johnnys Zoo View Post
I believe these racing horses only have to be one year old. Many race at 2 years old. Many are retired by 3-4 years.

Horses haven't even completely finished bone growth at 2 years of age.

Can you imagine putting your 14 year old kid out on the track? Telling your kid to run until they die?

Its all about fast money. Win a race and then the horse is worth big money on the breeding circuit. The faster the turn around the better. The breeding circuit is where the real money is.
Most of that post is expressing concern at the age of the horses, and comparing that to children, which is what i was responding to. Based on the huge #'s of kids in this world that run track, play sports, etc. every day, I wouldn't have the slightest problem with my 14 year old running, short or long distances. I don't know if that translates to horses, but people who are still growing can run and train and work hard just fine.

And no one's telling the horses to run until they die. That would imply the owners want the horse to die. That's the last thing they want, 'cause then they can't make any more $ on the horse. You're right, it is all about the money, but you can't make money on a dead or injured horse.

And btw, they're doing a steroid test on the horse today to dispell that rumor.

I'm not condoning horse racing, or euthanizing the horse, or anything to that effect, but this statement "Can you imagine putting your 14 year old kid out on the track? Telling your kid to run until they die?" is blatant sensationalism and not reflective of the problem in this situation.
post #14 of 23
Well we love our animals like they are kids.

Thats sensation enough.
post #15 of 23
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Well we love our animals like they are kids.

Thats sensation enough.
So if any kids ever die doing any activity, we should ban the activity? Well, there goes skiing, and a *whole* bunch of other activities.

"The children! Won't somebody think of the children!?"
post #16 of 23
Banning, no not yet, further investigation needs to be done and they really should perfect a way to save these horses after simply breaking a leg....half the people on this board would be shot dead if the same policy applied to humans!
post #17 of 23
I thouhght euthenasia is still considered the most humane treatment for a horse with two broken legs. It can't even be removed from the track safely.
post #18 of 23
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I thouhght euthenasia is still considered the most humane treatment for a horse with two broken legs. It can't even be removed from the track safely.
Yeah, from what I've read, that's the case. Any horse that breaks 2 legs would be similarly euthanized, whether it's on a racetrack or a simple fall (well, probably not a *simple* fall, to break 2 legs).
post #19 of 23
I think its a matter of expense, not that they cant do it.

The horse will never be good to race again thats a given, but to go and spend hundreds of thousand of dollars to make him live...they rather just call it a day and shoot him down. My .02
post #20 of 23
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I think its a matter of expense, not that they cant do it.

The horse will never be good to race again thats a given, but to go and spend hundreds of thousand of dollars to make him live...they rather just call it a day and shoot him down. My .02
I'm no horse expert, but from what I've read if the horse has 1 broken leg, that's usually a true statement. However if both front legs are broken, my understanding is that there's no adequate way to support the horse's weight (horses can't lie down for weeks to recover like a dog could. they weigh too much and develop complications quickly). So even if they did surgery, the horse has an incredibly slim chance of recovering and will probably die of infection or other complication.
post #21 of 23
Just remember what happened to Barbaro 2 years ago. He broke one leg and they tried surgeries and other things but he got infections and other complications that were never going to be recovered from. Isn't it more humane to put the horse down than to keep it alive with only 3 good legs? They can't get around like cats and dogs can with 3 legs. Granted, it is not a given that the horse will get an infection...I don't know. I don't know enough about it.
post #22 of 23
Me neither, I am just speculating, but I am fairly confident that human ingenuity could find a fix if it was worth it.
post #23 of 23
It's an ongoing effort RR. Horses have some issues created from being domesticated. Selective Breeding being one of them.
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