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post #1 of 12
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so i'll start off by giving you my background information. i'm a 22 y/o, 6', 175lb, level 8 skier. i ride out west (mammoth, tahoe, utah), and i have a fast, charging style. i love to ski off-piste, but i also enjoy fast, lazy, gs/sg-style turns on groomers. and i have recently developed an afinity for bumps, because i feel that they bring out the weaknesses in my technique, so i just can't seem to get enough of them (perfectionism? self-deprication? masochism? who cares! spank me harder!). finally, i used to be somewhat of a park-rat, but after too many injuries and keeping my future profession in mind (i start dental school next year, so brain and hand injuries are ESPECIALLY bad juju!), i've decided that it's time to lay down serious park skiing. BUT, if i can have my cake and eat it too, i would prefer a ski that can spin the occassional 360 or slide a box/rail to one that can't.

now on to the skis that i have:

1) 191 volkl mantras- i bought this ski first because i found myself in a predicament where i had no skis and i needed to quickly replace an entire quiver with a single ski that could do it all. i think that i did a good job with the mantra, but now that i am building my quiver back up, i find that these skis overlap too much with my xxl's. i talked with sierrajim, dawgcatching, and bushwackerinpa (along with many others... thank you all) about replacing the mantra with a narrower, shorter ski for a 2-ski quiver. but, given that the end-of-season prices are so tempting, i figured, meh, why not just add a 3rd ski? i love the hard-snow grip and high-speed stability of my mantras, so i use them whenever the snow is too firm for my xxl's. the ONLY real complaint that i have about these skis is that since i went with the 191 length for a more gs-style feel (and since i didn't have the 194 xxl's for uber charging, yet), they are unwieldly in the bumps for me.
2) 194 dynastar xxl's- after demoing the xxl's, i found them to be surprisingly nimble and versatile for their size, so now i look for any excuse that i can to bring them out. i will be using these skis any time there is fresh snow or heavy crud... or even in spring conditions

so what do i want from the 3rd ski in my 3-ski quiver? well, despite the fact that i am building a quiver, i believe that ALL my skis should be able to do EVERYTHING at least decently. put more simply, i always tend to buy the most versatile ski within the particular category of skis that i am looking at. i do this because once i'm on the hill, i always just try to make what i've got on my feet work, even if i haven't picked the ideal pair of skis for the conditions (i always blame pilot error first).

but, given the general hole that i have in my quiver right now, my 3rd ski should be shorter, narrower, and more playful than my two charging skis that i already have. i put a high emphasis on bump-performance, edge-hold, and high-speed (but not mach-stupid... i've already got two skis for that) stability. factors that mean nothing to me for this spot in my quiver are pow and crud performance. and, just because i want it all, it should be playful enough for some light park duty.

ORIGINALLY, when i was thinking of just plain replacing my mantras, i was looking at the dynastar mythic rider, elan 888, and head im88. BUT, now that i'm thinking of adding a 3rd ski with some park-ability instead, i've narrowed it down to the k2 public enemy and fischer addict pro, based on all-mountain (i know you all hate that word) performance and end-of-season availability and price. which do you think will suit my purposes better? i've owned the 80mm waist version of the k2 pe, and liked it, so the new pe is a safe bet. one thing that worries me about the addict pro is that since it is symmetrical and designed to be center mounted, will the long tails hook up in the bumps? durability is also a huge factor for either ski (i've heard bad things about both of their top-sheets... but i'm hoping that it's just cosmetic).

any other suggestions for my 3rd ski? anyone with any experience on either of these skis? thanks in advance.

-kevin
post #2 of 12
I would but BWinPA's Fischer Progressors and just stay out of the Park...:
post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
I would but BWinPA's Fischer Progressors and just stay out of the Park...:
i AM open to non-park ski suggestions, since i techincally still have my old, trusty park skis. however, even though the progressors can be skied in moguls, it sounds like they do bumps more RELUCTANTLY than well

i used to ski all morning on my real skis while the snow softened up, and then i would go switch to my park skis at lunch and do park all afternoon. i can still do this, but, if it's possible for me to have it all, i'd really like to not have to switch skis mid-day (unless they are mid-mountain demos )
post #4 of 12
The Dynastar Limited is a good bump ski & carver.

Michael
post #5 of 12
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The Dynastar Limited is a good bump ski & carver.

Michael
does it come without the hostage plate? i DO exclusively use look/rossi/dynastar bindings, but i ALREADY have them waiting for a ski.
post #6 of 12
Wow, you like long skis for your size. OK, all good. Given your other two skis have virtually all kinds of soft snow covered at speeds up to escape velocity, I'd go for a modest length mid-fat carver that can handle serious ice, tight places, bumps, and all the other frontside stuff you'll face when it hasn't snowed in a while, but still be up for forays into old pow and bumpy chop on the backside.

If you have a binding waiting, that narrows it down a lot. My first vote would be for a Stockli XXL, which is basically a wide GS, comes flat, very grippy and smooth but absolutely slays variable snow where you go from crud to ice and back again. I see a lot of these out west. If it has a weakness, it'd be serious bumps; a bit too stiff.

Second choice would by a Head iM78. More versatile in turn shape and speed preferences than the Stockli, slinkier, will rock the bumps better, not quite as grippy or stable at serious speed. Also comes flat.

Third choice would be an Atomic Blackeye, which apparently are ice skates with attitude, lighter and more energetic than either of the above, loves higher speed turns, unclear how well it does in bumps. Also comes flat.
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
I would but BWinPA's Fischer Progressors and just stay out of the Park...:
this kid doesnt want my fisher in fact furtherest thing from his mind.

You just described the 179cm PE lukc, seriousally much better everyday ski than the progressor or the contact limited depending on your purposes, basically actually skiing and not trying to look like a tool on a groomer.

My topsheet are fine after teaching and hard use, but I ski quite wide except in tight bumps despite what some PSIA examiners like to think.
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
but I ski quite wide except in tight bumps despite what some PSIA examiners like to think.
ha ha... word. shoulder width is a good starting point.

i think the biggest sin in all of ski-dom are the former straight-ski, heel-swishers that ziptie their feet together and then proceed to molest their "new-fangled parabolic skis" down the hill with hip motions that are more befitting of someone with underpants stuffed full of singles. i learned on straight skis too. but i got over it...

but, more on topic, i think the pe is probably the best choice too. you should see the stupid **** that they are recommending over on tgr... i've gotten the "what you REALLY need are reverse camber, reverse side-cut skis" more than once...
post #9 of 12
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thanks for the help guys, but i just pulled the trigger on some 179 k2 pe's. i kinda just got it over with so that i could finally get back to work... i will find ANY excuse to get side-tracked and not focus on what i really need to do right now.

on a side note, i have a two part theory about k2's strategy for renaming the pe the extreme (if you haven't noticed, it's got the exact same dimmensions).

the first part is easy. since the public enemy has been around for so long, when they first started offering it, it was meant to be a solid park ski. BUT, soon people found out that it was a great all-around ski at a price-point for young park rats, so older guys started buying it and weren't fond of the "urban" graphics or the name "public enemy." simultaneously, park skiing progressed to the point where the pe wasn't really considered to be that good at park, so young park skiers stopped buying it. so, now that the intended demographics of this ski have flip-flopped, they are going to give it a retro graphic and name.

if you haven't noticed, pe's can be had for DIRT cheap all season long. last year's brand new, in wrap skis were selling for under $200 at the start of this season, and this years skis didn't last long before dropping under $300 (and before spring skiing was really under way, they were all the way down to the $225 that i paid for them). SO, the second part of my theory is that the market was over-saturated with pe's. too many were being put in stores and not enough were going home with people, so stock-piles built up. but, a simple name-change will be more than enough to get the majority of slack-jawed gapers to think that it really is a new ski, and therefore, they will be willing to pay new-ski prices again.

i know i know... long-winded and not THAT revolutionary. but think about it. i'm pretty certain that k2's marketing scheme is going to WORK. what does that say about everyone else?
post #10 of 12
Several people on Epic have stayed away from the PEs because of the graphics/image/theme, or bought them and covered up the graphics, so it can't hurt to change the name and look. I'm sure K2 will chalk it up as marketing genius when they take a 5 year old ski, put lipstick on it, give it a retro name, and then sell a crap load of them. It's still marketed in their "Factory Team" line of park/punk skis however, so they're not straying too far off the original formula.
post #11 of 12
The PE is NOT a great park ski, but it IS a pretty darned good AM ski, (especially given the price) . And it's OK in the park too. However, it has been burdened by the new school graphic thing and that limits its acceptability to folks that are not 25 Y/O. Now, with this retro graphic a lot of skiers who might have scorned the PE in the past will consider it. This plan worked well for Dynastar this past year with the "limited" graphic on the Big Trouble. While that is (and has been) among the better 90mm skis for AM use, the edgy graphics don't work for a significant segment of the buying public, but the retro graphis do.

SJ
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
The PE is NOT a great park ski, but it IS a pretty darned good AM ski, (especially given the price) . And it's OK in the park too. However, it has been burdened by the new school graphic thing and that limits its acceptability to folks that are not 25 Y/O. Now, with this retro graphic a lot of skiers who might have scorned the PE in the past will consider it. This plan worked well for Dynastar this past year with the "limited" graphic on the Big Trouble. While that is (and has been) among the better 90mm skis for AM use, the edgy graphics don't work for a significant segment of the buying public, but the retro graphis do.

SJ
thanks SJ. i just got the uber cheap ($$$ not quality) px15's that i bought from you to go on my xxl's. that frees up some scratch 140ti's for my pe's. one word on the px15: BURL!
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