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nicks, gouges and scrapes in P-Tex

post #1 of 15
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These are my AC4's with about 130 day's on them. They have not been stone ground since about day 60. It's been so long I can't remember.

The purpose of this post is to help new guy's see that you don't need perfect P-Tex.

I do wax them ever 3 or 4 ski day's with mostly Dominator HyperZoom.

Even on April 19th and 20th at Okemo they skied fine. We were off the hill by 1pm but skied at our normal speed (high) the weather was great.

A buddies wife asked me "how do you ski so fast in this stuff"

The one gouge has been there since about Feb 07.







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post #2 of 15
I've got a pair of K2 El Camino's...circa 1997/8 that are somewhat like that. A good coat of wax is all they ever needed. I bought them from a ski shop I worked at back in college...and tuned then myself for the next X# of years.
post #3 of 15
"The one gouge has been there since Feb "07"

Umm... what gouge?

FWIW, stone grinding is not only for planing-out big core shots. It's for restructuring the base and resetting the base-edge angles after months/years of tuning/skiing. While I agree that your bases are in good condition (ie- not damaged by rocks) I would highly disagree that you couldn't benefit from a fresh grind. Those base-edges are atrocious. I see hanging-burrs all over the place. That's not pixel-dilation from your shots, either. If you can't feel that- it's only because you haven't ridden them fresh recently. (Where are your diamonds, by the way? I can see your aluminum tranny (?) block.)

Stone grinds also don't always mean milimeters taken off the base. Find a good shop. My shop will ever-so-lightly grind the base and bring things flat again. I only grind 1-2 times a season. But... that is very liberal, imo.

Let's not forget that base DOES actually wear faster than edges due to gliding-friction.

The same people who propose that scraping wax 100% isn't necessary because it will scrape off in 2-3 runs are the same people who believe that base doesn't actually wear away over months of riding.

Guess what... Those skis above could really benefit from a grind. Is it necessary? No. Would it benefit? Yes. They'll be faster, more accurate, and hold a better edge.

Just my opinion, but you should have posted another example. Your base-edges are gross. I'm not even talking about your p-tex. P-tex is easy. I can see unclean edges in your photos... imagine what I could identify in person. Oh... and your bases aren't nearly as well waxed as you assume. They're fricking gray/white.

Boooooooo.......

This is actually an example of what I DON'T want my skis to look like.

Huh.
post #4 of 15
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These skis haven't been waxed in 4 ski day's. They haven't been touched with a moonflex stone since the night before. I will run the 1* base file them down them every few day's just to knock off the high spots. The low spots from hit rocks in the trees will come out sometime, or not.

I know they could be better, but they ski fine. I have new skis that I have skied and the edge hold is not that much different. I haven't skied them back to back on the same day. But on the demo day I did ski these skis, may be in better tune and there was not a night and day difference.

I don't race so I don't need perfect skis.

Good points, any other thought's? After all that's why I posted to give us something to disscuss.
post #5 of 15
Sorry, Max. I get carried away and I appreciate you not taking my over-the-top run-on sentences personally.
post #6 of 15
I just noticed what appears to be 1/2 of a transfer case near the tip of the ski in the first pic...:
post #7 of 15
did you see the hammer? Or- the sockets?

At least we know he has tools and is mechanically-inclined.

Aside from the unorganized work-bench, the tools are clean... as is the aluminum. Even the bench is debris-free.

What's that yellow rig in the corner? A drill-press?

Either way, I wish I had your garage. I don't have "A" garage in Japan. My ski-tuning bench is collapsable and is accompanied by a vaccuum. My wife stays out of the living room on tuning night. She's sweet.
post #8 of 15
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I just noticed what appears to be 1/2 of a transfer case near the tip of the ski in the first pic...:
LOL....fellow Jeeper, I see what you see.
post #9 of 15
I mistook your edge in shot 2 & 3 for the edge of the bench!!!
post #10 of 15
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LOL....fellow Jeeper, I see what you see.
You can take the gearhead out of the garage...but you can't take the garage out of the gearhead.
post #11 of 15
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You can take the gearhead out of the garage...but you can't take the garage out of the gearhead.
Actually that's the Liberty tranny for our soon to be NOPI/NHRA Sport Compact Hot Rod car. Summer time hobby. My son and I are building the car with help over the next few months. the Honda Civic should have about 1200whp. It's a fun ride for my son. He's over ski racing.
post #12 of 15
Liberty transfer case? You making an all wheel drive Honda with a Jeep t-case?

1200hp at the wheels...whoa....thats some serious stuff and I dont think that t-case can hold up to that, get in touch with Level 9, they rebuild t-cases for some of my mega HP big block Jeep buddies.
post #13 of 15
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No, Liberty tranny (transmission) it's a Honda transmission case with a Liberty gear set and Liberty Billet clutch housing. This tranny was a spare from a Civic that went 7.83 at 184mph in the 1/4mile last season. sorry to hijack my own thread.

I still need to put summer wax on the skis in the photo,(to lazy).
post #14 of 15
Post some build pics of the car! Or at least a link. Sounds pretty cool!
post #15 of 15
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Post some build pics of the car! Or at least a link. Sounds pretty cool!
Here is a link to the off tpoic forum, thought it was better to put the link there.
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...829#post905829



Cars still a rolling chassis. Some engine pieces spread out over the country being made. Thanks for asking.
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