my racing skis have rec binding. What is the difference in use between adding a plate vs replacing with racing binding. I ask because I want to save the money on new binding. Thanks in advance
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4/29/08 at 8:37pm
...DIN of 5!! What's your weight, and are you skiing very small slopes? Even, indoors ?! :
Is this the binding? Does yours have the rail system? (I take it "no")
'06 SLD 11 Tyrolia
If you do not have the rail sytem but just have the binding on a "flat" ski, then probably one of these Tyrolia Plates is fine for you.
Well yeah, you definitely do not need a racing binding!
If the 13mm plate will fit those particular bindings (I believe it will but do not know for sure) then get that. That will be good for when you go outside to a larger hill or mountain.
BUT, a race slalom ski is a lot of ski to learn on, especially indoors!:
I received two recommendation from two experts. One is to use stiffer skis. The other one from a very kind expert is to use softer skis. Both know my skiing very well. So I decide to keep on using the same skis. Afterall I have been using the stock skis for 2 years. Kind of getting used to it.
Stiffer than a Race Slalom eh? To ski indoors!? :
Are they Junior race skis?
Sorry Schussbolie!, I guess it was the "ie" ending which made me think feminine
So carver, that 13mm plate should work well and keep you from booting out. It will also stiffen the ski slightly. Just make sure before you buy it that the screw holes will match that binding.
carver, try giving dawgcatching a try he sells Head. I'd be surprised if you couldn't find the plate. It might only work with the freeflex bindings though
I believe you can use these with any bindings. Lou is a VIST dealer in Canada perhaps can contact him or start a thread about VIST plates and get some info.
Do you have a shop near you that you can get his stuff mounted? (No matter what you get?
WorldCup Race Series:
These mount rigidly under the toe and heel of boot and middle of plate flexes. Would most likely make ski stiffer and probably damper than the Air series but I have no experience with the Race Series or comparison to the other.
WCARVE13-ALU Has aluminum on top
WorldCup Air Series:
These mount rigidly under the toe of boot and back of plate moves in oval holes.:
WCASO-15 has rubber under plate at mounting
WCAIRPRO-14 has plastic under plate at mounting
I believe I had something very similar to the WCAIRPRO-14 on my Elan slx slalom ski. It worked well though I'd love to try the other. Here's what VIST says:
WorldCup Air Series:
• Fixed only in the binding toe piece area
(underneath the skiboot tip).
• Free sliding in the back thanks to the
slotted fastening system.
• A greater concentration of the power
exerted in the front part of the ski.
• A faste and precise initiation of turn
• Leaves a more natural andstraightforward curving to the ski
• Distributes the strains gradually.
all along the ski, thus being less
• Also allows the stout/powerful
skiers to use the skis known as
WorldCup Race Series:
• The power exerted by the skier
concentrates in the middle of the ski.
This characteristic amplifies the ski
reactivity, stability and good grip.
• The central elastometer is used to
accumulate all the strains. In the second
part of the turn the strains are then
released and the ski straightens up again.
• A great GRIP sensation in the middle of
• It makes the ski more reactive/aggressive.
• The best benefits will be obtained if
mounted on the skis known as “hard”.
• Enables skiers who are not so strong
to be able to flex the ski properly and
to execute tighter turns.
sorry about the text can't get it to sho up right
Your other option would be to get the Speedlock Race plate. This is similar to the plate above but allows you to very quickly change the binding position. You could also have two pairs of skis with the two plates and only one set of bindings although that might just be annoying..
This I gotta see. Ski technique facilitates turning (see "lessons"). Sidecut/torsional rigidity, length, width, waist, etc. of the ski facilitate turning. Lift (plate or lifter) can be said to facilitate turning because of increased leverage, less chance to boot-out. A certain boot design can facilitate turning.
But a binding holds your boot to the ski; it does not facilitate turning (unless you want to make the stretch that a stronger binding material may react a split-second quicker). Some designs can alter the performance of the ski to facilitate turning (see piston, free-flex, etc.), but I don't see how a binding can.
I forgot to mention that before doing any of the plate work you should make sure you have a proper tune on the skis. This can make a huge difference and if you do it before the plates you'll be able to separate the tune from the plate effect. It could also make your skis a lot better before you get the new stuff.
I would recommend you try a 0.5 degree base bevel and a 3 degree side bevel. This can be difficult to get done properly in a ski town let alone Hong Kong! : Just take it easy the first time you go out on it till you get used to it. If it's too grabby and quick for your liking go up to .75 degrees base bevel and if not that than 1 degree. I wouldn't go more than that.
See this thread: