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Is Nordica Still Using Marker Bindings for 2009

post #1 of 19
4/29/08 at 5:55am
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I found this picture of the 2009 Nordica Hot Rods but the toe pieces don't look like the toe pieces on my 2007 Hot Rods (they don't seem to have the Marker stainless steel plate). Now that Technica owns both Blizzard and Nordica, Has Nordica switched binding supplies for 2009?

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post #2 of 19
4/29/08 at 6:29am
Aren't Technica and Marker co-owned as well?

Anyway, those are Markers on those skis -- I can tell that from the heel. And as far as I can tell, cosmetics aside, they still sport the much-derided Biometric toe. Topsheets aside, the construction looks similar or identical to the 2007-08 models too.
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post #3 of 19
4/29/08 at 6:35am
Bindings on photo are definitely Vist bindings with Nordica labels. Vist has been originally designed for Nordica several years ago. I have 2 pairs of Vist. Great bindings. There is still Nordica's N letter on Vist brakes.
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post #4 of 19
4/29/08 at 6:37am
I was just about to say, those look an awful lot like Vist bindings.
Vist Free bindings, I have those on all my Icelantic demoski's, you get to choose the colour caps on toe and heel pieces when you order them, they have more than 20 different options.
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post #5 of 19
4/29/08 at 7:00am
Some of the colors available for Vist bindings: http://www.jonsskituning.co.uk/compo...e3dc0132f3.jpg

Here is a video (top one) with Vist bindings on Nordica for 2008/09: http://www.skipass.com/articles/sais...009-videos.php
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post #6 of 19
4/29/08 at 9:15am
Okay, I guess I stand corrected. I thought that the cutouts on the metal parts of the heels were a Marker thing.
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post #7 of 19
4/29/08 at 9:30am
Those still look like X-balance (integrated instead of system) which should mean they're still Marker bindings.

Noticed they made a carbon version of the Hellcat.
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post #8 of 19
4/29/08 at 9:36am
I agree, looks a lot like the x-ballance on my 08 Hot Rod Nitrous (Marker 311 TI....IIRC?)

On another note, the skis look very similar to the 07/08 models...just slightly different topsheets.
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post #9 of 19
4/29/08 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by tsproul View Post
Those still look like X-balance (integrated instead of system) which should mean they're still Marker bindings.
No. It's Vist. X-balance is a plate system. As you probably know, Vist have certain experience with plates, so I guess it was not a problem to adopt X-balance to their bindings.
Here are the same bindings on skis in my hands: http://www.skimagare.info/gallery/ma...geViewsIndex=1 The skis are 176 cm long, but they look shorter.
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post #10 of 19
4/29/08 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by stekan View Post
Here are the same bindings on skis in my hands: http://www.skimagare.info/gallery/ma...geViewsIndex=1 The skis are 176 cm long, but they look shorter.

Or you look taller. But you definitely look angry at something....
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post #11 of 19
4/29/08 at 5:35pm
yeah those look like vist. We should all thank Nordica.
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post #12 of 19
4/29/08 at 5:54pm
Marker is owned by Jarden Corp. out of New York who also own K2 and Volkl.
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post #13 of 19
4/29/08 at 10:16pm
Nordica has been having delivery issues with Marker. Some Nordie skis will be shipped with the Vist Binding shown above, others will be shipped with Markers as we have known them. The Vist toepiece has quite a bit more anti shock that Markers.

The entire Hot Rod lineup has gone to the XB(i) or integrated system.This results in a different core profile with most of the top end skis having a cross section looking more like the Hellcat with the "shoulders" raised up quite a bit more and the central profile being milled notably thinner. I did not feel much difference on the TF and Nitrous but I did feel that the Afterburner had a notablty lighter swing weight.

These are all positive developments from my perspective.

SJ
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post #14 of 19
4/29/08 at 11:29pm
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post

Or you look taller. But you definitely look angry at something....
That was end of season disappointment face.
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post #15 of 19
4/30/08 at 1:04am
Where are Vist made? We're starting to see a lot of them here in Italy, and they are also sold along with Blossom, a local brand. My understanding is that Nordica developed its own binding some years back, found that the solution was not commercially viable, and sold the design to Vist.
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post #16 of 19
4/30/08 at 2:49am
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Originally Posted by prickly View Post
Where are Vist made? ...
In Italy. HQ is in Caldaro and production in Bassano. Official site is www.vist.it but more info can be found on www.vist.jp
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post #17 of 19
4/30/08 at 4:35am
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Nordica has been having delivery issues with Marker. Some Nordie skis will be shipped with the Vist Binding shown above, others will be shipped with Markers as we have known them. The Vist toepiece has quite a bit more anti shock that Markers.

The entire Hot Rod lineup has gone to the XB(i) or integrated system.This results in a different core profile with most of the top end skis having a cross section looking more like the Hellcat with the "shoulders" raised up quite a bit more and the central profile being milled notably thinner. I did not feel much difference on the TF and Nitrous but I did feel that the Afterburner had a notablty lighter swing weight.

These are all positive developments from my perspective.

SJ
2 Questions:

1. So if I'm looking at getting a new pair of Hot Rods, should I look for the ones with the Vist or the Marker Toe piece?

2. Is the XB(i) system better than the XBS system on my 2007 Hot Rods? (I rippled the toe piece off of the rail in a nasty fall last spring and although my local shop was able to find me a replacement toe oiece for no charge, I'm thinking about replacing these skis with a new pair of all mountain skis)
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post #18 of 19
4/30/08 at 6:19am
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Originally Posted by SkiNut View Post
should I look for the ones with the Vist or the Marker Toe piece?
Since Marker's toepiece is its Achilles' heel, so to speak, that question answers itself. But Jim already answered it for you:

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
The Vist toepiece has quite a bit more anti shock that Markers.
...

These are all positive developments from my perspective.
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post #19 of 19
4/30/08 at 7:48am
yep - those are vist bindings - i bought a pair about a months ago and put them on my skis just in time to get one day in. previously i had been using markers, but decided to give vist a try. i bought a pari of 614's and my first impressions are good.......i popped out only once on my only fall of the season! not sure if i should have released or not - i came off of a jump (didn't see it in the blizzard) on a very steep slope.......i landed on the tails of the skis, off to one side........i had a very smooth release almost immediately on one of the skis - like i said, there is a slight chance i could have pulled out, but then again, it could have been nasty, right?
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