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PM Gear Brocker or Praxis Powder RX?

post #1 of 26
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Hey Gang,

This question is for those with experience on rockered skis and particularly the new Bro-rocker and what seems to me to be the Praxis equivalent. The dimensions of both skis are very similar. I believe the Brocker is about 140-112-121 and comes in one length only, 186. The Praxis Powder RX if 140-115-128 and I'm interested in the 189. The Praxis has a few choices in terms of the camber and rocker which is kind of intriguing. Both have traditional sidecut underfoot but I believe the Brocker has some reverse sidecut in front of the foot. Please correct me if I got any of the technical specs incorrect.

I think either ski will be sick and I'm not sure I can make a bad decision here. I also feel good about supporting these smaller companies and think they make a great product. I'm 6 foot 3, 185 lbs and a level 8 skier. I ski almost excusively in Utah and occasionally in CO. I skied 30 days this past season and most of it was in fresh, fairly deep snow. I'll be skiing all over the mtn and a bit of backcountry. Trees and steeps are my favorite places to hang out. I could go all that way up to the Praxis pow ski but not sure I need something that wide and specialized. I'd like a more versatile deep snow ski, which is why I'm focused on these two skis.

Does anyone have any thoughts or experience with either of these skis? Any help or insights into trying to decide which one to pick? Would greatly appreciate it.

Cheers,

LnL
post #2 of 26
I'd go search over at TGR.

FWIW, I haven't found much on any of the new Praxis skis....Keith at Praxis hasn't been able to get me any written feedback. Lots of folks speak highly of Praxis based on past skis though.
post #3 of 26
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Thanks Tsproul...have definitely spent time over there researching. In fact, their loyalty to Praxis is part of the reason I want to at least seriously consider them as an option. Its hard to find anything bad about Praxis. Most of the reviews, however, are about their super wide POW ski which is 138 underfoot...that's a bit more than I need for conditions I generally ski in. That's the tough part of about smaller companies..its harder to find them for demo and harder still to find good reviews.
post #4 of 26
I own two pairs of Bro 188s and a pair of 195 Praxis.

The new Praxis skis aren't officially in production yet. I'd planned to hook up with Keith to demo some of the new line this spring, but real life caught up with me.

If you decide to go with the Praxis, I'd talk to Keith about what camber option you should go with.
post #5 of 26
You'll find reviews for the Bro Rocker because they've been in circulation this past season. You won't find the same for the Praxis RX, this is a new ski for them and has probably only been skied by their team riders and others closely associated with the company.

This is the first season that Praxis is offering models other than the Praxis Powder to the public, so you won't find many (any?) reviews on the other offerings.

I have the 179 Bros and the original Praxis. I am very happy with both purchases. You should contact these companies directly if you're interested in demos or need more information to make your decision. You won't go wrong with these companies.
post #6 of 26
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Thanks Alpinedad and bklyn. I have chatted with both Pat at PM and Keith at Praxis over e-mail...both very nice guys and very responsive and customer service oriented..man what a change that is. They ask questions and help refine the choices based on what I'm currently riding and are just generally helpful. They seem to support each other as well even though I'm sure there must be some friendly rivalry to push each other a bit. Keith told me to buy from him or Pat b/c they're making good skis and appreciate the support. Very cool.

Bklyn..you're definitely right that there is data on the Brocker b/c they had the prototype out this year and sold some of them. I almost got on a pair at Solitude but it didn't work out. Alpine dad, Keith recommended the re-curve option on the Praxis which is the rockered tips and tails with a small amount of camber underfoot....sounds perfect to me.
post #7 of 26
Flip a coin .
post #8 of 26
I wish I was a little bit taller, I wish I was a baller, I wish I was badass enough to ski a 186 so I could buy a set of Brockers... Praxis recurve sounds like a hell of a pow weapon tho! Ooohh... How awesome it is to be able to have a decision like this, eh? I think you're right man... You can't make a bad decision here- it's all about tailoring the dimensions to your specific intentions. I'm guessing the Brocker will be a smidge better on the harder snow and the Praxis recurve w/ curved tail will be the softie smasher/tree eater. Wow, though... That's a heck of a question... like... Blondes or Brunettes?
post #9 of 26
Just had a thought- if you go with the Praxis recurve, that's a very uncommon ski and you could then serve as the ambassador to them in a way- you could spread the word about them through this site, providing valuable insight to your fellow bears. Many here are eager to get some feedback about them and you could be the first to let us know! Being first rocks.
post #10 of 26
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I wish I was a little bit taller, I wish I was a baller, I wish I was badass enough to ski a 186 so I could buy a set of Brockers... Praxis recurve sounds like a hell of a pow weapon tho! Ooohh... How awesome it is to be able to have a decision like this, eh? I think you're right man... You can't make a bad decision here- it's all about tailoring the dimensions to your specific intentions. I'm guessing the Brocker will be a smidge better on the harder snow and the Praxis recurve w/ curved tail will be the softie smasher/tree eater. Wow, though... That's a heck of a question... like... Blondes or Brunettes?
Amen...do work...I think you nailed it. I married a blonde...but some of my favorite ex's were brunettes...but don't tell her that . I think your assessment of the nuanced tradeoffs may be right on. Some of the Brocker reviews really extol its ability in crud AND how serviceable it is on the hardpack. Obviously, I'm not purchasing either ski for its hardpack performance but that is nice gravy on top of its soft snow performance. Is it greedy to want it all? I also like your idea of getting the Praxis since it is so uncommon..would be kind of fun to be unique. I accept the role of ambassador and official reviewer either way...will be fun to discuss.

Keith's pre-sale price is compelling...he's offering $550 before the summer so he gain some certainty around his orders for the fall. I'm giving some serious thought about jumping on it. Brocker currently retailing for $800 or so with the carbon fiber which makes it lighter. Pat will give the maggot discount which I think is $100...so that drops it some. Maybe I let price be the thing that tips the balance one way or another.....you're also right that its fun to have these types of decisions. Life doesn't suck.....

Cheers,

LnL
post #11 of 26
WOW! Praxis recurves for $550 & they even lets you choose your topsheet!?! Dude, please do it. If not for you, me or all the blondes and brunettes in the world... do it for the children! (Finish your powder! There's starving kids in Chamonix, y'know! )

P.S.- I'd be seriously considering buying them at that price, but I just bought a pair of Tecnica Agent 100 boots today, so I'm financially embarassed at the moment.

No, it's not greedy to want it all. It's impossible. But that's half the fun, isn't it? Dammit I love this site.
post #12 of 26
of course the one ski you didn't factor into your equation is the Lib Tech NAS Powder...

and they have a new rockered pow ski coming out for this season (or is it next season?...at any rate the new rockered model is going to be available in the Fall of 2008).




it's called the Lib Tech NAS Recurve, btw: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=116195
post #13 of 26
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Dookey! See what you did..I was all focused and you go try and muddle things!!!!! Hmm...interesting must explore this new ski....will check the link and get back shortly....
post #14 of 26
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Do Work..you're right...I'll stop being so darn selfish and do this for the team...tax refund due in any day...will pull trigger! Thanks for being such an enabler....I'll tell my wife that its your fault.
post #15 of 26
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Dookey! See what you did..I was all focused and you go try and muddle things!!!!! Hmm...interesting must explore this new ski....will check the link and get back shortly....
I repeat- I love this site. And this is why.

Thank you, though- I love being an enabler and do so at all times... Besides, has anybody ever regretted buying something totally: freakin: awesome: anyways??? Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllll naw!!!! Blame away, brotha... blame away!
post #16 of 26
Of course, the obvious choice is to buy both and keep the one you like best.
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
the obvious choice is to buy both and keep the one you like best.
I've already ordered BROckers.....and those pre-season prices on Praxis are tempting!
post #18 of 26
and then there's always another personal favorite of mine (i haven't actually skied these, but I just LOVE the description):

http://www.hendryxskis.se/index.php?...43&Itemi d=85
post #19 of 26
oh, duuude... I love the Hendryx Purple Haze... Too much sidecut, though... and the $$$$$$$$$$ turned me off a bit... That doesn't mean that I don't want a set, tho...
post #20 of 26
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Of course, the obvious choice is to buy both and keep the one you like best.
Alpinedad...I love where your head is at on this. You know that was my first instinct. I need to find a way to have skis delivered to some other location than my house so my wife won't know. She already thinks I'm nuts and continues to maintain I can only ski one pair at a time. Though, technically, she's right that still doesn't mean she's "right" in the larger scheme ...are you guys tracking with me?

Tsproul...did you consider the Praxis before pulling the triggers on the Brockers? Anything in particular make up your mind for you to grab those? Great decision..by the way.
post #21 of 26
Send 'em to my house! I'll take goooooooood care of 'em!
post #22 of 26
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I need to find a way to have skis delivered to some other location than my house so my wife won't know.
You've just identified the primary reason why I go into the office.
post #23 of 26
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I bet you'll take care of em Dowork...they'll be just like new when I get em eh? AD....used to have stuff delivered to my office..never quite had the audacity to have a pair of skis show up but its a great idea and I'd love to see the looks on my co-worker's faces....particularly if the skis arrive in August...
post #24 of 26
They may have a few "love stains" on em... Wait... Define "like new"...

I got my last pair of skis sent to my shop and when they arrived, I left immediately to get 'em mounted... The dumbfounded look on my coworkers face was priceless...
post #25 of 26
Food for thought (learned the hard way):

the more skis you have the more equipment you lug to the mountain.
the more skis you have the more options you have once you get to the mountain
the more options you have the more time you waste trying to decide which skis to take out on a particular day
the more time you waste deciding which skis to take out, the less time you actually spend skiing
and even if you lug all of your skis to the mountain, unless you're at a small, local hill and get there early enough to park right by the lodge, you're either lugging all the gear up to the lodge and locking it up or trudging back to the car to swap out skis, which means your are, once again, spending less time on the hill.

having an every day ski and a powder ski makes it so much easier. you ski the every day one every day and the pow when it dumps. thus you've made the decision making pretty simple and increased your time on the hill.

also, if you find a ski you love, by two sets so you don't have to go through the painful process of finding another sweet ski the next time around.

post #26 of 26
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never quite had the audacity to have a pair of skis show up but its a great idea and I'd love to see the looks on my co-worker's faces....particularly if the skis arrive in August...
Our mailroom is run by a skier, so she always wants to see whatever cool new gear I got in.

The strangest thing I've ever had delivered to my office was the front left quarter panel for a Saab 9000. Now that drew stares.
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