post #91 of 199
5/11/08 at 11:53pm
In the current world it is impossible to have a meaningful technique discussion about this topic without a matching equipment discussion.
|In the current world it is impossible to have a meaningful technique discussion about this topic without a matching equipment discussion. -Spindrift|
|There is a huge difference in efficiency and balance, but for exactly for the opposite reasons that you suggest. The guys in the first video are young and very athletic, which is always a good thing. But these guys are making up for a lack of technique with a lot of gross upper body movements, swinging their arms and rotating their shoulders into the turns to compensate for a loss of balance, relying on their athleticism and a lot of wasted movement to get them by. I'm not saying these guys aren't great skiers, they obviously are, but they could benefit greatly from some of the technique that HH demonstrates in the clip. -Mac|
|Also note the clear options in turn type and radius - big turns, little turns, arced turns, smeared turns, efficiently porpoised turns (not=porpoising due to extension/retraction), etc.. Even if I'll never get there, this is much more what I aspire to in terms of technique. -Spindrift|
I think it's actually in Push, there is a sequence with Darren Rahlves ripping an Alaskan line. It puts thing in perspective.
"let the body deal with it" -
IMHO, the video of HH was the most helpful from a learning perspective. I see smooth skiing with little extraneous movement. To my admittedly unpracticed eye, it doesn't look complicated. It looks simple. However, it's probably the kind of simplicity that is difficult to achieve!
A number of commenters have mentioned "letting go":
Atomicman It occurs to me that some of the best skiing I've done is when I'm thinking about...something else. I'm thinking I'm hungry, when should we have lunch, where are the people I'm skiing with, and oh! Did I just ski that nasty cruddy bumpy little patch? Possibly I should listen to music or sing or do math problems in my head to otherwise engage the more recently-evolved (i.e., neurotic) parts of my brain.
On equipment. When I'm seriously overterrained (steeps and/or snow quality), the sequence I go through as I move down the hill is: traverse, side-slip, tail-push and edge set/stop, linked tail-pushed turns, steered turns, carved turns. If I attempt that hill a second time, I can start letting my turns get more rounded sooner. But if I cannot find a way to smear or pivot those initial, tentative turns, then the fear sets in and the brain shuts off and I panic. Fat skis allow me to ski defensively first, develop some confidence in challenging terrain, then open up and ski with better technique.
So while it may or may not be the case that fat skis or reverse-reverse skis allow professional skiers to execute more sophisticated turn shapes in powder, from my point of view it's irrelevant. I do aspire to the sort of smooth, controlled skiing in the HH video. But I'm fairly certain, given my own particular set of limitations, that I'll get there more quickly with equipment designed to forgive my weaknesses rather than punish my mistakes.
|Fat skis allow me to ski defensively first, develop some confidence in challenging terrain, then open up and ski with better technique. -Acrophobia|
|It occurs to me that some of the best skiing I've done is when I'm thinking about...something else. I'm thinking I'm hungry, when should we have lunch, where are the people I'm skiing with, and oh! Did I just ski that nasty cruddy bumpy little patch? Possibly I should listen to music or sing or do math problems in my head to otherwise engage the more recently-evolved (i.e., neurotic) parts of my brain. -Acrophobia|
|And no matter what ski you are on or what level you are at, there is a process of elimnation we all go through to decipher what works best on a particular ski, snow condition and slope. And I would even submit to you that this goes on in every turn as we adjust balance, pressure, and stance to the feedback we are getting from the hill and our gear. -atomicman|
How about a little bit different frame of mind?
A ski that exposes your weaknesses rather then masks them (a positive attribute, so they can be dealt with) and rewards your excellence!
Once I feel more comfortable in challenging terrain, then switching to more advanced skis to hone skills makes sense. As I've mentioned before, confidence helps me develop skills. Without confidence, my skills fall apart.
ok I think I've got the "rant knob" turned down but it gets sticky near "off"
|We don't want the slopes looking like the Ski Asylum was just let out and everyone's doped up on Thorazine making perfect turns.|
I break everyday skis down this way (and this is VERRRRY approximate)
68mm.........90% groomed with little appetite for deep snow
78mm.........70% groomed with mild appetite for deep snow
88mm.........50% groomed with hunger for deep snow but a realistic view of how often you'll find it
98mm.........Priority for deep snow and a willingness to deal with a ski that is not real great the rest of the time.
This is a spectrum rather than a finite set of definitions. There are tons of variations, increments, and stops along the way. My opinion is that the fat ski (~~98mm) is not the best tool for an intermediate to learn off trail skiing (powder yes, but general off piste skiing does not usually involve that much powder) Therefore I suggested something in the middle to wider side of that 50/50 grouping.
Yes, Yes, Yes...........:.......some skiers ski fat skis all day everyday. But they fit into category #4 and are probably significantly more confident in the off trail than you are at this point.
I get this request from customers all the time......(parphrase) "I want something for all mountain use both on and off the trails and I want it to handle some powder when I get it.......but I don't want a pure powder ski or anything really fat"
I think that I understand my customers pretty well and I think that for the most part, they really don't live for the off trail. They go there....they just don't live there.
So......as a replacement for the Burnin' the Lotta or the B2W or the Exclusive Legend make a lot of sense.
As a supplement (or replacement) that still holds everyday capabilities, then the Exclusive Powder or the Queen Attiva or the B3-W. All make good sense.
IMO the fattie skis are supplements only.
I can't post now but I take it you took a look at this thread and decided on Burnin Luv's + Volkl Auras?
Ladies All Mountain Ski's
this is from that thread: