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post #31 of 44
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
Nothing feels like a Head Liquid Metal/Intelligence.

Nothing.

Performance aside, nothing gives that much feedback.

The Heads have feedback, but it's kind of subtle compare to my Fischers, especially on hard snow. The Fischers telegraph a lot more information from the snow to my boot, which gives them a very sporting feel. But it can also be tiring at times, especially my RX-9s. In contrast, my Heads can be a little more comfortable to ski on all day long. There's a very clear difference in the way these skis pull off the ride/handling compromise.
post #32 of 44
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
What length did you ski that in?
able to make short turns too?
180



I didn't even try to turn. I just let them run themselves from arc to arc. They were much bigger than me (5'8" 170) who doesn't ski race stock, but they were a blast to let run. I just can't forget that feeling of the ski reaching out to the snow like a silk sheet.

Somebody explained the Intelligence Technology as being fibers that stiffen when flexed, it may have something to do with that.

On a side-note, I'll try some Fischers next year. You guys are raving about them. I'm looking for a true WC GS ski after riding that^^^
post #33 of 44
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
Just don't ever ride a Head iGS WC RD...
It felt like water.
Isn't that a dedicated race ski, or can you use it as a groomer rec. fast ski? I'd venture this ski to be a lot more ski than the liquidmetal supershape.
post #34 of 44
I want it for my quiver. I don't race, but am a fairly solid skier. I just want it for arcing and hauling asss. It's so comfortable, it's nuts.

but again, I'll have to ride a Fischer. Lots of talk here.
post #35 of 44
I can think of no legitimate reason why someone with appropriate skills shouldn't enjoy a racing ski outside of the gates.

The top end Fischers if anything deliver too much feed back for some folk. The Heads seem to do a better job of calming things down, not that the feedback from the Fischers ever interferes with control, they (the Fischers) just feel tightly strung.
post #36 of 44
Feel is everything. There is nothing else, for anyone, even for those who do not understand that truth. As truth is beauty, and beauty is truth. There is nothing else. Nothing.
post #37 of 44
I always felt that I didn't become a good skier until I abandoned focusing on technique and started to focus on feel. IMO the question really comes down more to your boots than your skis. A very stiff boot works better from a mechanical perspective, but reduces the feel of your ski to almost nothing. Where each skier draws the line is a personal decision. You can go with a stiff race boot with a big mechanical advantage and very little direct feel of the ski through the boot, or a softer boot that transmits a better feel of the ski but requires a more subtle manipulation over a wider range of motion. There are advantages on both ends of the spectrum.

IMO your style is dictated more by your boots than your skis, but unfortunately most people don't get to demo boots. It doesn't matter how much feedback your skis give if you can't feel it through your boots. If you have a very stiff or very soft boot you are not going to have a good direct feel of your ski.
post #38 of 44
Good point.

I'm on Falcon 10's and the snow-feel is nuts. I hate it. I can't even walk in fresh pow without my feet getting tickled.
post #39 of 44
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
The top end Fischers if anything deliver too much feed back for some folk. The Heads seem to do a better job of calming things down, not that the feedback from the Fischers ever interferes with control, they (the Fischers) just feel tightly strung.
I agree. I have skied several Volants and Atomics (including the "dead sleds") over the years and just got a pair of Fischers, which are the other end of the feel spectrum. Boots like the Kryptons and skis like Fischers give many skiers a sensory overload that they cannot or choose not to deal with. Personally I have always favored damp feeling skis and softer more feely boots, whereas based on what I see in this forum most skiers are just the opposite.
post #40 of 44
This site is awesome for this reason, and it can be tedious to wade through the jargon and half-baked lazy reviews, but nonetheless, it is very useful to "see what sticks"... Case in point, when I came back from CO it was glaringly apparent to me that I needed something wider. I had demoed several skis out west and loved them, but they were not exactly what I was looking for. The closest to my particular skiing style was the PE, but is wasn't stiff enough and needed a bit more float. Using this site I was able to discern that I wanted a nimble, stiff midfat twin tip and the Mojo 90 fit the bill perfectly. If I didn't have access to this site, I'd be "stuck" with PEs. I couldn't be happier with my purchase and have this site to thank.
post #41 of 44
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
I agree. I have skied several Volants and Atomics (including the "dead sleds") over the years and just got a pair of Fischers, which are the other end of the feel spectrum. Boots like the Kryptons and skis like Fischers give many skiers a sensory overload that they cannot or choose not to deal with. Personally I have always favored damp feeling skis and softer more feely boots, whereas based on what I see in this forum most skiers are just the opposite.
The quality of the sensations or "feel" is more important than the quantity. I use both Fischer and Dynastar skis. The Dynastars are damper and provide just enough feedback while the damper feel makes choppy snow easier and less fatiguing.

The Fishers do a better job of telling me what level of grip is available. I tend to push the Fishers harder because they provide better feedback and tell me when they might let go if I'm asking too much of the slick conditions. Most other skis are less telepathic IMO. Yet Fischers are also considered "smooth". Unwanted vibrations are minimal.

Michael
post #42 of 44
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Originally Posted by WILDCAT View Post
The quality of the sensations or "feel" is more important than the quantity. I use both Fischer and Dynastar skis. The Dynastars are damper and provide just enough feedback while the damper feel makes choppy snow easier and less fatiguing.

The Fishers do a better job of telling me what level of grip is available. I tend to push the Fishers harder because they provide better feedback and tell me when they might let go if I'm asking too much of the slick conditions. Most other skis are less telepathic IMO. Yet Fischers are also considered "smooth". Unwanted vibrations are minimal.

Michael
I toally agree about Dynastars and Fischers. My new Fischers are somewhat of an anomoly in my experience, they are fairly damp but still transmit a ton of information. As for "quality of feel," I think that relates more to your choice of boots than skis. The great conundrum for me has always been that stiff boots drive the skis better, but it is at the sacrifice of snow/ski feel and therefore makes skiing seem more mechanical.
post #43 of 44
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
I toally agree about Dynastars and Fischers. My new Fischers are somewhat of an anomoly in my experience, they are fairly damp but still transmit a ton of information. As for "quality of feel," I think that relates more to your choice of boots than skis. The great conundrum for me has always been that stiff boots drive the skis better, but it is at the sacrifice of snow/ski feel and therefore makes skiing seem more mechanical.
The boots are key;

My plug boots, while very stiff, provide greater feel than my recreational-race boots. The thickness of the liner & fit play a role.

Michael
post #44 of 44
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
Nothing feels like a Head Liquid Metal/Intelligence.

Nothing.

Performance aside, nothing gives that much feedback.

Yeah, you can't live anymore without feeling the same sensation again!
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