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post #1 of 20
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Tester: 41 year old Female, 125 lbs 5'6", Advanced skier.
Equipment Tester usually skis: Blizzard Titan Eos 166cm(88w), Blizzard Mag SL 155cm(64w), Bluehouse MR171 (94w)
Skis Primarily on Michigan mole hills but has taken to some teensy weensy trips to some Mountains with many more to come!
Comfort zone of tester: Confident with Speed, crud, & steeps, improving in Bumps and trees.

Manufacturer:
PM Gear
Model: Bro 174 Soft
Length: 174
Category & Dimensions AM CARV POW:
125-99-114 32M Turning Radius
Listed as an all mountain, but for this Michigan Girl, its a powder ski
Binding: Marker Duke rahrrrrrrr!
1=Poor 2= Fair 3=Average 4=Very Good 5=Excellent
1 2 3 4 5
Short Turns
3
Medium Turns 5
Long Turns
5
Rebound
4
Stability
5
Forgiveness
4
Grip
5
Steeps
5
Crud
5
Powder 5
Ice
3.5
Overall Impression 4.5

Tested Length Felt:
Just Right
Ski Sidecut Felt:
Just Right
Ski Flex Felt:
A Tad stiff, but not to a point of being cumbersome

Best Described As:
Balanced & Burly

Notes:
Of all the skis I've purchased, the Bro was the one that intrigued me the most and yet was the one that took the most time for me to pull the trigger. The things that concerned me were stiffness, and versatility for my day to day skiing in Michigan, even though it was/is my intent to make this my primary travel East and West ski.
The chats I had with Pat, Chad and Ron brought a rest to my concerns.

Next question was Bindings. I had decided to put Jesters on these Bros because of the width of the binding, and its compliment to the width of the Bro's, however, after some tweeking and other stuff that enters a Gear Ho's mind, The Bro's were mounted with Dukes. (Review of the Dukes will follow an actual AT experience with them)
Whiteroom was especially helpful with binding information, and mounting for me, not to mention putting the tune on them that was recommended by Tryrone Shoelaces.

Maiden voyage on the Bros was on my 375 ft vert hills here in Michigan, which is fun and interesting on a 32M TR ski!!!
First impressions: Very good workmanship. Wow, they weren't kidding when they said this ski would handle hard pack, and feel like a freight train. I couldn't get the Grin off my face!!!!

Trip to the mountain, Abasin. I've skied Abasin on my Eos, Wave Spice and Blue House skis in the past, all of which were skied in different conditions, but none of them were quite as much fun as the Bros. We had some new snow, and fierce wind, enhanced by some phenomenal company.
Among the things that really struck me with these skis was the stability, and inspiration of confidence. I didn't hesitate on the cornice at Abasin, however, my technique could use some help.

Another thing that impressed me was the ability to make medium turns. Short turns are doable, though take more technique and effort, but medium and long radius turns came easily, with an edge to edge transition that is impressive for a ski with these dimensions.
Bumps: Bumps are something I have been improving on, though I've not mastered them by any means. However, I took the Bro's on Palli as well as a few other bump runs, and though the 99 waist is not ideal for bumps, I really enjoyed them, and would definitely take them in the bumps again.

The 174 Soft Bro has far more pluses than minuses, and now that you know how much I love it, let me share the minuses.

Minuses:
- I like the top sheets on Bklyn's better than mine. Reason, Mine look too nice and I was hoping to put a bunch of stickers on them. Bklyn has the plainer version which is screaming to be stickered up!!
- I was hoping that they would automatically make me look as good as Tyrone Shoelaces when I take the leap. Witness' say......Not so much

To sum it up:
Demoing the 174 Soft Bro is like foreplay. Owning your own is orgasmic!!!

*I'm sure I forgot some details, so I'll report back later when I remember what I forgot.
post #2 of 20
Nice review TC. If my daughter ever makes good on her threat to become a ski bum, she could use a pair.

Michael
post #3 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
Tester: 41 year old Female, 125 lbs 5'6", Advanced skier.
Equipment Tester usually skis: Blizzard Titan Eos 166cm(88w), Blizzard Mag SL 155cm(64w), Bluehouse MR171 (94w)
Skis Primarily on Michigan mole hills but has taken to some teensy weensy trips to some Mountains with many more to come!
Comfort zone of tester: Confident with Speed, crud, & steeps, improving in Bumps and trees.

Manufacturer: PM Gear
Model: Bro 174 Soft
Length: 174
Category & Dimensions AM CARV POW:
125-99-114 32M Turning Radius
Listed as an all mountain, but for this Michigan Girl, its a powder ski
Binding: Marker Duke rahrrrrrrr!
1=Poor 2= Fair 3=Average 4=Very Good 5=Excellent
1 2 3 4 5
Short Turns 3
Medium Turns 5
Long Turns 5
Rebound 4
Stability 5
Forgiveness 4
Grip 5
Steeps 5
Crud 5
Powder 5
Ice 3.5
Overall Impression 4.5

Tested Length Felt:
Just Right
Ski Sidecut Felt:
Just Right
Ski Flex Felt:
A Tad stiff, but not to a point of being cumbersome

Best Described As:
Balanced & Burly

Notes: Of all the skis I've purchased, the Bro was the one that intrigued me the most and yet was the one that took the most time for me to pull the trigger. The things that concerned me were stiffness, and versatility for my day to day skiing in Michigan, even though it was/is my intent to make this my primary travel East and West ski.
The chats I had with Pat, Chad and Ron brought a rest to my concerns.

Next question was Bindings. I had decided to put Jesters on these Bros because of the width of the binding, and its compliment to the width of the Bro's, however, after some tweeking and other stuff that enters a Gear Ho's mind, The Bro's were mounted with Dukes. (Review of the Dukes will follow an actual AT experience with them)
Whiteroom was especially helpful with binding information, and mounting for me, not to mention putting the tune on them that was recommended by Tryrone Shoelaces.

Maiden voyage on the Bros was on my 375 ft vert hills here in Michigan, which is fun and interesting on a 32M TR ski!!!
First impressions: Very good workmanship. Wow, they weren't kidding when they said this ski would handle hard pack, and feel like a freight train. I couldn't get the Grin off my face!!!!

Trip to the mountain, Abasin. I've skied Abasin on my Eos, Wave Spice and Blue House skis in the past, all of which were skied in different conditions, but none of them were quite as much fun as the Bros. We had some new snow, and fierce wind, enhanced by some phenomenal company.
Among the things that really struck me with these skis was the stability, and inspiration of confidence. I didn't hesitate on the cornice at Abasin, however, my technique could use some help.

Another thing that impressed me was the ability to make medium turns. Short turns are doable, though take more technique and effort, but medium and long radius turns came easily, with an edge to edge transition that is impressive for a ski with these dimensions.
Bumps: Bumps are something I have been improving on, though I've not mastered them by any means. However, I took the Bro's on Palli as well as a few other bump runs, and though the 99 waist is not ideal for bumps, I really enjoyed them, and would definitely take them in the bumps again.

The 174 Soft Bro has far more pluses than minuses, and now that you know how much I love it, let me share the minuses.

Minuses:
- I like the top sheets on Bklyn's better than mine. Reason, Mine look too nice and I was hoping to put a bunch of stickers on them. Bklyn has the plainer version which is screaming to be stickered up!!
- I was hoping that they would automatically make me look as good as Tyrone Shoelaces when I take the leap. Witness' say......Not so much

To sum it up:
Demoing the 174 Soft Bro is like foreplay. Owning your own is orgasmic!!!

*I'm sure I forgot some details, so I'll report back later when I remember what I forgot.
I want a report on how they yardsale.

Are they heavy when hiking the East Bowl Chutes?

How bout the dexterity of being double jointed helping slip into the Dukes?

I haven't been orgasmic in a while. Are you saying these Bro's are better than blow up dolls?

I better slack off the Baileys
post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lars View Post
I want a report on how they yardsale.
No ........................yet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lars View Post
Are they heavy when hiking the East Bowl Chutes?
Didn't actually do any hiking because the skiing was awesome and the Montezuma bowl had some fun stuff that was accessible without hiking. I will likely do some hiking when I'm back out there next month. I'll report back.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lars View Post
How bout the dexterity of being double jointed helping slip into the Dukes?
Flexibility is my forte'. Ahhhhhhhh!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lars View Post
I haven't been orgasmic in a while. Are you saying these Bro's are better than blow up dolls?
Hmmmmm,I can honestly say, I have nothing to base this comparison on. Thank goodness!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lars View Post
I better slack off the Baileys
You can share.
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
Nice review TC. If my daughter ever makes good on her threat to become a ski bum, she could use a pair.

Michael
Some day we need to hook up so I can ski with your daughter. I'd love to let her try some of my skis.

FYI, I'll be back out to Abasin on Mothers day weekend.:
post #6 of 20
TC, one thing interests me here. Other day I tried using PM's radius calculator to get surface area of a 89 mm 166 ski (Head Mojo 90), then divided it by my wife's weight. Found out that for her, this ski has the same ratio of surface area per pound as my 183 Goats do for me! So I have a hunch that your Soft Bros would translate to a 190-something 110-115 waist for a guy. That's pretty big. Do your Bros feel, umm, floatier than you expected? Do you have any desire for a fatter ski, or do these feel like about as much as you'd need?
post #7 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
Demoing the 174 Soft Bro is like foreplay. Owning your own is orgasmic!!!
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

I got BROckers coming eventually but you make me want to get some 179 stiffs overnighted for the last weekend of skiing for me this season.
post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by beyond View Post
TC, one thing interests me here. Other day I tried using PM's radius calculator to get surface area of a 89 mm 166 ski (Head Mojo 90), then divided it by my wife's weight. Found out that for her, this ski has the same ratio of surface area per pound as my 183 Goats do for me! So I have a hunch that your Soft Bros would translate to a 190-something 110-115 waist for a guy. That's pretty big. (1)Do your Bros feel, umm, floatier than you expected? (2)Do you have any desire for a fatter ski, or do these feel like about as much as you'd need?
(1)Hmmmm, floatier than I expected? I have to be honest and say, no. I expected them to be plenty floaty, and because they are the biggest, widest ski I've owned, since I was on my old straight skis (187cm Dynastars), I didn't really have anything to compare them to.
They felt plenty floaty in the snow we had at Abasin, but to be honest the one day we had a significant amount of powder at Breck, was the day I let alta6 try them out. I hope he'll chime in and give his input, too.

I really pondered going with a shorter (164 Soft) but was encouraged to get the 174 by many who had skied on the bros. At this point I have no regrets, but would like to try the 164, for kicks

(2)Do I have a desire for a fatter ski? Since these are the fattest, ski I've owned, and because I'm enjoying them so much, I can't imagine going fatter...........but...........well...........What have you got in mind..............Can you define Need?
post #9 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by tsproul View Post
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

I got BROckers coming eventually but you make me want to get some 179 stiffs overnighted for the last weekend of skiing for me this season.
We have the technology to do that, T.


-splat
post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluff Vertigo View Post
We have the technology to do that, T.


-splat
What kind of technology do you have to evoke such "excitement"?:
post #11 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluff Vertigo View Post
We have the technology to do that, T.
I'm a little slow on that trigger....

I'm sure I'll get more than the BROckers. I gotta do my part to keep the economy floating. ::
post #12 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by tsproul View Post
I gotta do my part to keep the economy floating. ::

This is my excuse to look at some new boots/skis when I get my eco-stim check... "But GUYS, I'm just trying to save the economy!"

TC- nice review! Thanks for the crash pics- if you flip the picture and use your imagination... it kinda DOES look like Tyrone!
post #13 of 20
Nice writeup TC.
post #14 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
if you flip the picture and use your imagination... it kinda DOES look like Tyrone!
i think I need to take the same drugs that you are taking

post #15 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
i think I need to take the same drugs that you are taking

Yes. Yes, you do.
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 
Me too please!
I'll let you know how much they make me grin today!
post #17 of 20

grinning yet?

But of course! I was always told to bring enough snacks for the entire class!



Gravity: It's not just for skiing, you know! So many uses... so little time...

I suspect, however, had I been there for this review it may have read something like this... "Duuuuuuuuuude, these BROs are, like, uh... totally wicked awesome, man- yeah... I like, felt kinda like I was flooooaaating on all this snow man, like whoooooooaaaaaaa(making sliding motions with both hands)! These topsheets make me hungry, tho..." and it would almost certainly have a comment about how fast they can get you to the waffle house near the Gondola...
post #18 of 20
Thread Starter 
DoWork, you crack me up!


Update on significant hard pack(bordering on ice)
Abasin on Mothers day weekend promised some great weather. We experienced 10+ powder, beautiful spring skiing, then morning hard pack(bordering on icy) conditions for our last day.
The bros handled it all remarkably. The only day that was the least bit sketchy was the Hard Pack day. I definitely had to work harder to get my edge to edge and set an edge, but still, the bro held up.
Not an ideal situation for the Bro, yet again, it handled it much better than you'd imagine for a 99 waist ski.
post #19 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
But of course! I was always told to bring enough snacks for the entire class!
I suspect, however, had I been there for this review it may have read something like this... <deep breath-bubble bubble>"Duuuuuuuuuude, these BROs are, like, uh... totally wicked awesome, man- yeah...,<cough cough> I like, felt kinda like I was flooooaaating on all this snow man, like whoooooooaaaaaaa(making sliding motions with both hands)! <deep breath-bubble bubble>"These topsheets make me hungry, tho...<cough cough>" and it would almost certainly have a comment about how fast they can get you to the waffle house near the Gondola...
Fixed it
post #20 of 20
Sing it with me now... "Tiiiiiiiny bubbles... In the boooooong... " :
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