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Rossi S7 = Zag?

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
I just saw a picture of the Rossi's new S7 ski and I was immediately reminded of a ski that I got to use a couple of years ago by chance. I was doing a hike-up and ski-down tour a volcanoe Villarica in Chile, and our tour guiding outfit was run by a bunch of laid-back French guys who somehow let me talk them into letting me take out one of their guides' personal skis (I was told that the skis owner was sleeping at his place and refused to come to help;-). Those skis were made by a small french company Zag founded by some former extreme snowboarder and they had a pretty intresting geometry- the skis stayed pretty wide at tip and tail for a while and only then started to show real sidecut. I was told that this geometry gave them a pretty tight turning radius on the hardpack while still keeping great flotation in powdery snow. I took them down the long descent in the spring snow on the volcanoe's slopes and I had a total blast even in cheap ill-fitting rental ski boots. The ski was easy and quick but still solid and damp and it turned really well. When I came back to the States I tried to track down that company but was told that they went bankrupt. So, is the S7 a reincarnation of the Zag ski? Did Rossignol acquired Zag's patents?

Alex
post #2 of 11
No. The S7 has a few similarities to the Zag ski, it has a few elements of quite a few 'fun shape' skis. They sort of threw everything at the S7, it might be great... it might not.
post #3 of 11
I predict that the S7 will return next year with much less sidecut underfoot. I think that 15m will evolve into around 30-40. jibbers don't care about carving anyway. Those who want traditional sidecut underfoot for the groomers at resorts also don't care if their pow ski can arc, they just want it more manageable than full reverse-cut skis.

think lotus 138, praxis hybrid, armada arg...
post #4 of 11
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
I predict that the S7 will return next year with much less sidecut underfoot. I think that 15m will evolve into around 30-40. jibbers don't care about carving anyway. Those who want traditional sidecut underfoot for the groomers at resorts also don't care if their pow ski can arc, they just want it more manageable than full reverse-cut skis.

think lotus 138, praxis hybrid, armada arg...
I didn't realize it had so much, but you're right, that is WAY too much.

I hope you're also right about them remedying that in the future.
post #5 of 11
why exactly is that way too much? I don't really think it will be hooky in pow w/ that spoon nose
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 
My experience with Zag ski that is sort of similar was that it was not hooky at all, an had a very nice turn initiation. Granted, I never tested it on hard snow.

Alex
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
why exactly is that way too much? I don't really think it will be hooky in pow w/ that spoon nose
Well why could you possibly need anything tighter than 20m on a ski like this.
post #8 of 11
If anyone is still reading this thread.  Zag Skis are alive and well.  Take a look at our website: www.zagskis.com.  We still offer the Heritage line that has long wide shovel and tight turn radius.  We have added other lines as well.  The SLAP and H112 from our Freeride Pro line are real big mountain skis, with more traditional sidecuts.  One of our riders, Julien Lopez, won the Freeskiing World Tour on the H112 in a 198.  This is an extremely stiff ski with slight rocker in the tip and tail.  It rips!  A little background  on the S7, it is basically a Zag in all but name.  The shape is almost an exact replica of a Zag, there was some form of friendly relationship between Rossignol and Zag in the past but I don't know the details of how the S7 came about, only that one of our designers could have been involved.  I am the American distributor of Zag, our skis are being very well received by strong skiers.  If you would like to try some please drop me a line.  If you are based in SLC I even have some demos you an try.
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
I'd be up for a demo.  In fact my avatar picture is me skiing a ZAG in Chile...
post #10 of 11
 Sorry to rain on your parade, but I tried some ZAG skis the other day.  I won't say that they are bad skis, but I didn't much like them.  The tip felt unresponsive and overly large in relation to the rest of the ski.  I skied them for about 3.5 hrs while teaching a level 8 lesson.  We did groomers, steeps, and bumps in mixed conditions.  I skied OK on them, my students didn't know the difference.  I didn't even like the sound they made on the snow much less the feel of them.  I really like the S7.  Granted the Zags I was on were not too similar to the S7.  Maybe I would like another model better.  I will probably have access to the full line next season.  It's unusual for me to dislike a ski, especially a free demo.
post #11 of 11

Regarding the Rossignol S7 skis I have to say that these are the best skis built ever for big mountain and powder skiing. Especially ski shows its quality when you face diverse conditions on the same run. I skied with these skis more than 150 days in last 3 years. Mostly in powder and new snow conditions all kind of snow types. I am 183cm, 85kg plus equipment (ABS and skiing equipment) and I was ski instructor in national demo team of SLO. I am using S7 in length 188cm and 195cm. 195cm only for fresh, very deep snow with a lot of volume (not compact) and fast skiing with long turns. So, the statement that the skis have to much parabolic shape (to short radius) is ridicules. You have to just use one size of length bigger. Plus I have to say that more parabolic (carving shape - narrow below the ski shoes) has no special bad effect in powder. Moreover, the ski is more responsive and radical on short turns. On to the last mentioned characteristic has big influence also a pin tail of the skis. This parameter makes skis responsive and easy turning on high speed and fast reactions for an example in trees skiing. It is impressive how stable this skis are. Thankful to the fact that ski is of pure composite sandwich construction full of carbon wood and aluminum in proper composite relations, the ski under the charge makes perfect curve and not the curve on the tip and on the tail of the ski and under shoes flat area which causes need on after dosing of charging of the ski. So, once you decide how much to dose the charge on the ski you chose the carve length and you just glide and don't think anymore. If you because of what ever reason want to change the length of your curve you re dose the charge and voila you glide on the powder without corrections after every 2 meters. Just gliding. Simple as that. Sandwich construction has another advantage; Skis are torsion stable what causes that the skis are stable on high speed in powder runs and on hard terrains as well. Imagine this unbeatable combination... :)

Fast gliding or fast come out of the deep powder has roots in wide upper body of the ski and perfect distribution of the shape of complete ski. Hope will never change it in Rossignol before doing testing and getting feedback from the market with other models.

Regarding the skiing on the hard pistes (moments when you have to come from off piste run to the lift again or when you have to approach to the helicopter on the bottom of the big mountain close to the fjord where the snow is not snow but ice ) this skis are amazing. You can and you must trust them and ski like you do it on the short slalom racing skis. The reverse camber concept under the bindings gives to this skis incomparable effect to any of skis of the same type on the market. I tested all skis of Voelkel, Armada, Fuscher, Atomic, Dynastar, even Elan etc. but found out that S7 is unique. Unique on the planet guys...

What is very help full in powder skiing and makes skis easy to turn and self correcting in sense of balance is "banana shape" or in tech words; scoop and rocker line (scoop is measured from the tip and first 50cm of the ski and a rocker on the tail usually 50cm of the tail of the ski). So you have big scoop which exiting in reverse camber than comes fluidly and logic to the intensive rocker line. This makes skis as I said dynamically stable. Like the wings on the airplane... Check the Wikipedia to understand it better for those which are not mechanic ingeneers.

Finally the most important is what people say when they try skis. From the first to the last I got always just very, very positive feed backs of different level and style of skiers. I claim that every pussy can do the powder skiing with these skis and every expert can just improve his skiing and experience. My opinion is that these skis are bringing to the skiing industry almost the same revolution as it was when Elan introduced first carving skis. This is a fact and it is only the matter of time when everybody will try to copy them. But if they will miss only one of above underlined parameters and characteristics the skis will never be comparable with the Rossignol S7 skis. Never!

And now about the design. Tastes are different said the monkey which leaked the shit but I have to tell that for me the 2009 pictures of the skis were fare better as these on 2010. Let's see what will bring 2011 model... :)

Buy one pair and let me know what do you think. The answer is on the palm... It will drive you crazy guys... I know... :)))))

 

Best regards,

Zokinjo

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