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That thread went to crap before the first page ended. :
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Skip a few pages of juvenile sniping, they get bored, and the real people come back. He was/is giving away some free lift tickets for next year -- read details in the link.

It is a nice, low-key marketing scheme to reach out to disaffected ex-K customers. I think its clever.
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What happened with Killington? I skied there a few times when I was younger...but haven't been there for years. Everything I read about it on forums is always a bit negative. Did American Skiing Company run the place into the ground?
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What happened with Killington? I skied there a few times when I was younger...but haven't been there for years. Everything I read about it on forums is always a bit negative. Did American Skiing Company run the place into the ground?
It's a classic case of new owners coming to a fork in the road and taking the wrong path. Again and again and again. They eliminated discount vouchers, Council Awareness Days, and Lifetime passes. The attitude seems to be to cater to only those that can pay top dollar. Trying to turn a Vermont hill into Deer Valley or Beaver Creek is a recipe for disaster. This past season was the first in ten that I didn't go to Killington. I have no desire to ever return there.
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Once the children went away, the thread got interesting again. This ought to be the centerpiece of an important discussion (and not only for Vermont):

Win wrote:
By the way, when everyone ranks on my fellow competive resorts. We were the only resort open in Vermont today and there were only 350 people on the mountain. What we all need to do it to get more people to understand how good skiing and riding is in Vermont in the Spring. I would like more to stay open late because there is the demand for spring skiing in the East wel into April! Those of us who are fanatics need to convince others to come out this time of year!
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Once the children went away, the thread got interesting again. This ought to be the centerpiece of an important discussion (and not only for Vermont):

Win wrote:
By the way, when everyone ranks on my fellow competive resorts. We were the only resort open in Vermont today and there were only 350 people on the mountain. What we all need to do it to get more people to understand how good skiing and riding is in Vermont in the Spring. I would like more to stay open late because there is the demand for spring skiing in the East wel into April! Those of us who are fanatics need to convince others to come out this time of year!

Noooooooooo!

Thats one of the best things about spring, is all the tourists have decided all the good skiing is over so you have the mountain to yourself along with the rest of the real skiers.

All the time in the winter I hear tourists complaining about how its cold and snowing and wah wah wah. I hope they never figure out how great spring skiing can be.
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It's a classic case of new owners coming to a fork in the road and taking the wrong path. Again and again and again. They eliminated discount vouchers, Council Awareness Days, and Lifetime passes. The attitude seems to be to cater to only those that can pay top dollar. Trying to turn a Vermont hill into Deer Valley or Beaver Creek is a recipe for disaster. This past season was the first in ten that I didn't go to Killington. I have no desire to ever return there.
Very interesting. I haven't been up to Killington in years....I'm talking since the early 1990's.
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It's a classic case of new owners coming to a fork in the road and taking the wrong path. Again and again and again. They eliminated discount vouchers, Council Awareness Days, and Lifetime passes. The attitude seems to be to cater to only those that can pay top dollar. Trying to turn a Vermont hill into Deer Valley or Beaver Creek is a recipe for disaster. This past season was the first in ten that I didn't go to Killington. I have no desire to ever return there.


WWWWAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaa.

They didn't eliminate lifetime passes. THEY never had lifetime passes. If you want cheap skiing in Vermont, you can head to MRG or Magic. There you don't have the same cost of snowmaking or of high speed lifts.
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Thats one of the best things about spring, is all the tourists have decided all the good skiing is over so you have the mountain to yourself along with the rest of the real skiers.
That's what I love about skiing for the two or three months that follow President's Week too.

But if you think that any mountain can afford to stay open with only 350 people -- many or most of whom are presumably passholders rather than pay-per-day customers -- you don't understand ski area economics.
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That's what I love about skiing for the two or three months that follow President's Week too.

But if you think that any mountain can afford to stay open with only 350 people -- many or most of whom are presumably passholders rather than pay-per-day customers -- you don't understand ski area economics.
Aspen does a great job of staying open long after the uber wealthy stop caring about skiing, and its not because they get so many late season ticket sales like A basin and Loveland. Aspen seems to realize that taking care of the locals and making them happy is beneficial to the long term success of the resort.
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Aspen does a great job of staying open long after the uber wealthy stop caring about skiing, and its not because they get so many late season ticket sales like A basin and Loveland. Aspen seems to realize that taking care of the locals and making them happy is beneficial to the long term success of the resort.
What are you talking about? Aspen closes mid April even with midwinter conditions.
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Everyone keeps talking about pass holders as freeloaders. I may not be a ski resort owner, but I do understand economics of other business. Resorts don't offer season pass out of their kind heart towards their loyal customers. Pass holders pay up front at the beginning or even the summer for their passes. These are garanteed incomes the resort could bank on and even used to pay for some of the infrastructure work prior to the season openning. Further more, if the season is crap, the tourist may not come at all. But the pass holders already paid. Their money already in the bank account, of the resort.

To make the season longer pleases pass holders and may even attract buyers of season passes, not to mention real estate sales which goes hand in hand with that. So, to say staying open late in season is pure money loser is just too simplistic.

BTW, ask Trekchick, she bought A-basin season pass because she like the place, I'm sure. And I'm sure it has nothing to do with them staying opentill end of May?
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Noooooooooo!

Thats one of the best things about spring, is all the tourists have decided all the good skiing is over so you have the mountain to yourself along with the rest of the real skiers.

All the time in the winter I hear tourists complaining about how its cold and snowing and wah wah wah. I hope they never figure out how great spring skiing can be.
And that's exactly why everyone is closed, despite good snow. We had great crowds right up to closing day. hopefully that will translate into a longer season next year.
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To make the season longer pleases pass holders and may even attract buyers of season passes, not to mention real estate sales which goes hand in hand with that. So, to say staying open late in season is pure money loser is just too simplistic.
Faulty.

The season pass holders here are not likely to take their business elsewhere, just because the mountain closes in April instead of May. The season is already 6 months; making it 6 1/2 months won't affect many people's choice in purchasing next year's pass.

Further, there's no real estate at any of the ski areas in this state.

What is good is that there was a line 3 people deep at the ticket counter on closing day, and you couldn't find a seat at lunch during the April weekends.
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Further, there's no real estate at any of the ski areas in this state.
What state is that?
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It's a classic case of new owners coming to a fork in the road and taking the wrong path. Again and again and again. They eliminated discount vouchers, Council Awareness Days, and Lifetime passes. The attitude seems to be to cater to only those that can pay top dollar. Trying to turn a Vermont hill into Deer Valley or Beaver Creek is a recipe for disaster. This past season was the first in ten that I didn't go to Killington. I have no desire to ever return there.

The new owners succeeded in detoxifying Killington on weekends and holidays. To do that, they eliminated any and all discount programs. If you had a season pass there this season, it was delightfully uncrowded from the 3rd weekend of November through closing. A season pass was $1K which, prorated from 7 months down to 5-ish months, is still cheaper than the Preston Smith era when a season pass broke even at 20 or 21 ski days. The $600 blackout pass broke even after 8 days and was an even better value.

Me? I'm one of the Halloween to Memorial Day crowd and have been for decades. I'm pissed about the shortened season since I own real estate at the resort and picked the place in the early 80's primarily because of the long season. They really shrank the resort fast in April and slammed the doors with enough base to easily run another 3 weeks. There were some times when you noticed the tight reins. It took them longer than normal to recover from ice storms because they didn't have the staff. They really tighened the reins midweek with a 5 day schedule at Pico and on the lower stage of the Skyeship with limited services at many of the base lodges. As a weekend warrior, that stuff was mostly invisible to me. I don't have a lifetime pass that vaporized. I used to buy ski club vouchers for house guests and that vanished. If you are a regular there, there are still ways to find lift ticket discounts but there aren't that many vouchers floating around.

Killington definitely got better if you're skiing weekends. Many won't pay their $79 Saturday and Holiday day ticket price. Their food and alcohol prices are crazy and the sane person brown bags it. You can drive 45 minutes farther north and get a better skiing surface, a better value, and a better vibe but Killington shouldn't be on people's "don't ski there" list the way it was when ASC had all those cheap season passes that made the place crazy on weekends. Just don't show up on November 1 or May 1 expecting them to be open. The bastards.
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