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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
If I put a credit card cut up underneath my foot bed, say little toe side(toe & heel), I ll feel some pressure on my outside lower leg. Should I also adjust the cuff canting so as to neutralise this 'created' pressure? Or is there a better way out? Thanks in advance for the expert opinion.
post #2 of 15
There is a better way out. It's called "I gotta guy". The way it works is you go to a ski area and ask any instructor, coach, bartender, waiter or waitress, where they would go to get footbeds, fitting, or cant work done. They will kindly reply with a statement starting with "I gotta guy".

Help me out with the math on this. You add something in the boot that causes pain, and now you want to leave it in there and change some other aspect to solve your problem.

You just learned a valuable lesson about internal canting. Use your credit card at Walmart, not under the lateral (fixed) side of the foot.

There are many threads out here that can cover your canting options. I realize that you are not near a ski shop that can help with your situation. However, virtually anywhere in the world that you go to ski will have a guy that can help your fit and alignment. I strongly suggest that you wait and find that guy.

jim
post #3 of 15
+1 what he said

thanks jim, i looked at this one an hour back and wanted to try and think of a sensible answer...you saved me the job
post #4 of 15
Quick question. What is the purpose of the cut up credit card and how did it end up under your foot?
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks both for the expert opinion. The fact is that I am seeing some very good improvement in my skiing just by adding this temporary fix. There is an indoor ski center very close to me. It would be a waste if I wait for the next trip to get my alignment fixed. I am thinking about getting help from pedorthics doctor. There are some in Hong Kong. Do you think they can solve the alignment problem specific to skiing without creating some other problems?

Can you give me pointers as to what can be done at home. Previous threads maybe. Thanks in advance.
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post
Quick question. What is the purpose of the cut up credit card and how did it end up under your foot?
I was told I have serious alignment problem so I started paying attention to the pressure distribution on my foot and found that only the outer edge have pressure when I stand still. So I figured I need to have equal pressure on both big toe side and little toe side.
The credit card cut up added to the big toe side (underneath the ball & heel) is to make equal the pressure on both inside & outside edge. Immediately, videos of my skiing shown that my outside leg lags behind problem almost goes away.
post #7 of 15
carver_hk first post you say outside of the foot last post you say inside of the foot...where exactly are you putting this credit card, if you are putting it unde the inside then i can see what you are trying to achieve, if outside then as Jim says why..unless your foot has a fixed forefoot valgus position
post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CEM View Post
carver_hk first post you say outside of the foot last post you say inside of the foot...where exactly are you putting this credit card, if you are putting it unde the inside then i can see what you are trying to achieve, if outside then as Jim says why..unless your foot has a fixed forefoot valgus position
Sorry for the confusion. I tested both cases. I ended up with credit card cut up in the inside.

I tried one leg skiing. Both straight run and RR turn seems no problem with the current set up.
post #9 of 15
I suggest that you put the foot back in a comfortable position inside the boot. (Do you have a Footbed? Custom or otherwise?) (Have you adjusted the cuff with the footbed under the foot, to match the angle of the lower leg?)Just for the sake of discussion internal canting can work in some specific situations, however it is not a common practice around the world. The boot fitting community is split at about 5% for internal canting and 95% against. Dont be fooled by experts on this site pushing this stuff(they are selling you a product not a concept) As an example this concept is generally condemmed as inappropriate for performance enhancement in ski racing circles.

One of the basic tenets of good bootfitting is to "DO NO HARM" Anytime you make a modification that causes pain.....you should stop doing that!

For on snow experimentation of alignment, you can try over-canting or under canting your boots using duct tape or a credit card, between the boot sole and the binding interfaces. 6 strips of duct tape is 1.5 degrees.

Using 6 strips of duct tape, try skiing 1 run with the duct tape on the inside edge of the binding, and then reverse the tape to the outside edge of the binding and make one run. This should be enough skiing to figure out which feels better. Once you discover what direction you need to go, you can refine the amount of cant for best performance. Do not ski for extended periods of time with duct tape between your binding and the boot sole. The binding will not release properly with this foreign material.

Groomed, moderate terrain, is ok to begin this process, however you ultimately want to "test" your set-up on a variety of turn shapes, terrain, and snow conditions to find the best universal alignment set-up.

Once you know your final need of sole cant, it can be fixed permanently by planing the boot sole, or attaching canted sole plates to the bottom of the boot, or cant strips installed under your bindings.

jim

PS: If you no longer need that credit card, could you send it my way. The wife and I were thinking about a vacation in Italy this spring.
post #10 of 15
My understanding is your foot is comfortable with the credit card on the inside not the outside. Although it has been a little confusing. If card is now on the inside and comfortable then leave it there although I'd recommend getting a footbed made to accomodate what appears to be forefoot varus.

Beyond that align the cuff and then follow Starthaus instructions for underboot cant testing.
post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 
Lou Rosenfeld & starthaus - Thank you both for the great advice.

starthaus - I merely have a thermal fit footbed. I am about to get a custom made when my new boot arrive. I followed the advise on the other thread to buy a smaller size new boot through the internet. I have no cuff adjustment or any other adjustment. Just added the credit card.

I have read other related threads on this forum. Now I know the physical difference between internal canting and external canting. But I don't understand the functional difference.
About the cuff alignment setting. How do I know that it is correct? no biased pressure on all sides?
post #12 of 15
Correct, no biased pressure or as little biased pressure as the boots adjustment will allow.

Easiest to find a flat, level surface. Remove the inner boot. Place footbed on top of bootboard in the boot. Stand comfortable hip width stance in shell with footbed, feet parallel. Align cuff so that there is equal distance around the lower leg. Or if you have a helper, have them try to line the spoilers center mold mark to the center of the calf. If you cannot get it to line up perfectly, do not worry, just get the cuff going in the same general direction as the lower leg.

jim
post #13 of 15
i think a lot of these little in boot adjustments you have been trying will be negated when you get the proper footbed with the new boots, then you can go out and try the under boot tests and see where you end up
post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thank you both for the expert advise. I got a much better idea of what to do next and what not to do.
post #15 of 15
I would say that in the world of boot fitting the tide is turning rapidly from external to a mix of using both internal and external adjustment. As each does slightly different things. Just because Joe McCarthey accused many people of being Communists did not make him right. It was only real open minded thinking that set us free from that sort of tunnel vision. Just because you say it often does not mean you are correct. when it comes to internal canting believe me it is a powerful way to make changes that you felt you needed or you would not have felt any improvement which I understand you did. There you have it. Only the driver knows when the car is driving straight.

"In life, there is some truth in everything, however no one thing is the truth"
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