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post #511 of 578
6/30/08 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
The thing about used car salesmen is they are not going to give you $5000 for your car when they are reasonably certain they can talk you into selling it for $2500, even when they know they can sell it for $6000.

Same thing goes for sales. They won't sell you a car for $15000, when they are reasonable certain they can hook you for $18000. I've met an awful lot of salesmen who were reasonably sure they could get an extra 5 grand out of me, but were mistaken. I've always just looked up the book value for my cars and sold them privately for what they were worth; I hate playing salesman's games.
You think they are bad? Try the ones customers play. :
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post #512 of 578
6/30/08 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
You cannot save people from themselves.
Very well put, Phil. I agree with what you're saying, but being a car guy you know that an Expedition would go for more than double the $2500 offered price AT THE AUCTION. Meaning a profit could be had a week later, with no overhead costs and no repair costs. This is borderline predatory. I'm not saying all car salesmen are slimy or out to rob people, I'm just saying that all the hype isn't what it's cracked up to be and many are taking people's overreactive panic and running with it. The woman who traded in her SUV for another SUV is an idiot. No doubt. But the guy who offered a $2500 trade on an Expo? Dude is a plaid-wearing, comb over-sporting slimebag stereotypical used car salesman. My entire family either sells cars, repairs them or works in recycling yards. I know a scheister when I hear numbers like that.
post #513 of 578
6/30/08 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
Very well put, Phil. I agree with what you're saying, but being a car guy you know that an Expedition would go for more than double the $2500 offered price AT THE AUCTION. Meaning a profit could be had a week later, with no overhead costs and no repair costs. This is borderline predatory. I'm not saying all car salesmen are slimy or out to rob people, I'm just saying that all the hype isn't what it's cracked up to be and many are taking people's overreactive panic and running with it. The woman who traded in her SUV for another SUV is an idiot. No doubt. But the guy who offered a $2500 trade on an Expo? Dude is a plaid-wearing, comb over-sporting slimebag stereotypical used car salesman. My entire family either sells cars, repairs them or works in recycling yards. I know a scheister when I hear numbers like that.
Devils advocate: Do you know the condition of the Expedition? How many miles on it? Was it a 2 or 4WD? Puke green? Have you looked at Manheim numbers lately, with a <35% sales completion? Who is actually buying Expeditions? The guy didn't have a gun to his head to sell the car, he could have said no. "Just put maybe 4800.00 into it?" Riiight, show the bills, $2800.00 over the past 3 years which included all the routine maintenance.: Until someone agrees to write a check for more than $2500.00, that is all that sled is worth .
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post #514 of 578
6/30/08 at 7:58am
Agreed. But that would have to be one hell of a lemon for it to be worth only $2500.
post #515 of 578
6/30/08 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
Agreed. But that would have to be one hell of a lemon for it to be worth only $2500.
You writing a check for more?
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post #516 of 578
6/30/08 at 8:02am
I knwo wholesalers who aren't even buying metal like that. And to a wholesaler, no emotion attached, its just metal.
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post #517 of 578
6/30/08 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
I knwo wholesalers who aren't even buying metal like that. And to a wholesaler, no emotion attached, its just metal.
good point. It is ultimately worth what someone will pay for it.

The wholesaler needs to make a living as does the used car guy. If the public wants to pay no more than say XXX for that particular vehicle, that sets the value the trade is worth to that particular dealer.

When gas got over 3 bucks I went to the Saturn dealer and found a nice used SL 2 at just about what I wanted to spend. After I got the price settled, I brought my Ranger in for a trade assessment (at the time I owed about 5K on it and it was valued for trade in by Edmunds at about the same)

The Saturn guy---to his credit---said right up front, "I Have NO MARKET for a pick up, my customers are looking for good MPG smaller cars. I'll probably have to send it to auction---so be prepared."

He offered, and I declined a trade value of around 2K as I remember. That was my choice. I thought the sales guy was very clear with me and his offer was not unexpected.

I, eventually, did trade it on another Saturn a year or so later and came out of that with just a small ding in my hide. Too me it was worth the $800 negative equity hit I took (willingly) to go from P/U to sedan and 18 at best to 31 MPG since I drive about 50 miles RT to work.

OK, you can all get back to bashing car guys and marker binding:
post #518 of 578
6/30/08 at 8:34am
As a consumer you have control of your deal...until you decide to hand it over to a specific salesperson. If you choose to let someone else call the shots for you that is your decision. I personally feel like I am at an advantage when shopping for a car. I don't enjoy the process but I can make sure I am not getting burned. It's not that difficult if you go about it the right way.
post #519 of 578
6/30/08 at 8:37am
That Expedition might be worth more than $2500 but that dealer is taking a risk buying that vehicle in today's market. They could end up sitting on it for a long time.

Considering resale is more important than ever when buying a vehicle now. I never really thought about it much before but I am now.
post #520 of 578
6/30/08 at 9:06am
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
You think they are bad? Try the ones customers play. :
Sorry, but I would rather deal with almost anyone on the planet over a car salesman. They have earned their reputations justly.
post #521 of 578
6/30/08 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan View Post
Sorry, but I would rather deal with almost anyone on the planet over a car salesman. They have earned their reputations justly.

What??

no Marker comment??? :
post #522 of 578
6/30/08 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
You writing a check for more?
Battleship sunk!
post #523 of 578
6/30/08 at 12:00pm
I have decide that the best move for now if you are in the market for a new car is probably to find a good lease deal for 2-3 years (like an '08 Subie Forester or Outback) and see what comes on the market after that time. The next few years will see some major changes and in 3 years it should be easier to get a good deal on a fuel efficient vehicle. There will be so many more choices that get decent MPG out there by then as well.
post #524 of 578
6/30/08 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by MattL View Post
I have decide that the best move for now if you are in the market for a new car is probably to find a good lease deal for 2-3 years (like an '08 Subie Forester or Outback) and see what comes on the market after that time. The next few years will see some major changes and in 3 years it should be easier to get a good deal on a fuel efficient vehicle. There will be so many more choices that get decent MPG out there by then as well.
Forester has a great deal for 24 mo 74% res 15k and a .0021 MF.
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post #525 of 578
6/30/08 at 2:00pm

Big SUV's in la Pisseur

Interesting thread, as some of you may know I am one the blood suckers in the automobile business, fortunately for your scribe I work in the higher end of the business where the business is still reasonably brisk and the games that are usual played at the lower end are not played here….I am certain I would starve (or slit my wrists) if I was in the mainstream business. Never have been, never will be.

More to the point I can say that IF someone wants a BIG SUV new or used it is a buyers market beyond belief…I rarely deal with SUV’s on trade however this month I had a fellow who wanted to trade in a 2005 Hummer with a book of $36,000, the highest wholesale bid I could get calling from Seattle to the Bay Area was $12,000!

I heard the local stand alone Hummer dealer has not sold a car in 60 days; this is a large store that just recently won a sales contest for the region….

How about a Ford Excursion with a book of $21,000, highest bid I got was $10,000….

There was nothing wrong with the above cars, good colour, nice equipment etc...

Phil is so correct that people do really stupid things, as a side note we have a waiting list for people ordering 542hp Porsche Turbo SUV’s. The rich will always have money!
post #526 of 578
6/30/08 at 5:23pm
Thread Starter 
Well I got the truck. We love it. Loaded Yukon Denali. We got a super sweet deal on it because the dealer is a friend, as a result we are paying less for it, due to a cheaper insurance, than we were for the Hummer. We picked it up Saturday morning threw our junk in it and went on a 4hr drive, awesome car. Anyone who is hung up on American cars being no good has got to wake up and step into the new millennium. That car is awesome, well built and just as good as any import as far as I can tell; and I am a car guy. Power, comfort and room, man this thing is roomy, its a beautiful thing. We racked up over 500 miles this weekend and loved every bit of it. I got an average fuel economy of 14mpg according to the onboard computer. The advertised use is 12/18. Ill post some pics after I get it washed...bugs all over the white paint.

BTW, here on Long Island, at least at the dealerships we went to, they are not having any problems selling the big trucks, even the loaded Escalades are selling well and they go for $70-85k and use even more fuel than the Denali (28 more HP and more weight).
post #527 of 578
6/30/08 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Well I got the truck. We love it. Loaded Yukon Denali. We got a super sweet deal on it because the dealer is a friend, as a result we are paying less for it, due to a cheaper insurance, than we were for the Hummer. We picked it up Saturday morning threw our junk in it and went on a 4hr drive, awesome car. Anyone who is hung up on American cars being no good has got to wake up and step into the new millennium. That car is awesome, well built and just as good as any import as far as I can tell; and I am a car guy. Power, comfort and room, man this thing is roomy, its a beautiful thing. We racked up over 500 miles this weekend and loved every bit of it. I got an average fuel economy of 14mpg according to the onboard computer. The advertised use is 12/17. Ill post some pics after I get it washed...bugs all over the white paint.

BTW, here on Long Island, at least at the dealerships we went to, they are not having any problems selling the big trucks, even the loaded Escalades are selling well and they go for $70-85k and use even more fuel than the Denali (28 more HP and more weight).
Enjoy it!

We have an '01 Denali XL we have owned since new! it only has 69,000 miles on it. The car has been bullet proof. No problems. Although in the earlier models like ours I am not a fan of the seatbelts or the front seats.

We have the Captain's chair option in the middle row and a sunroof, I believe 2 of the only 3 options available at the time (we didn't need the block heater)

Ours is White with Taupe guts, runs like a charm and at less then 10,000 miles a year fuel really isn't a problem. (that 69,000 miles included all the ski races we drove to over the years!)

I am always surprised how much i enjoy driving it when I do.

By the way a loaded 2009 Escaalade is about $69,000 MSRP and i mean loaded. 22' inch wheels entertainment pkg, sunroof, and there isn't much else ya can put on it unless you get a real fancy paint color which would bring it to $70,000 sticker. No one is goin' be paying that now!
post #528 of 578
6/30/08 at 7:17pm
Thread Starter 
Thanks!

They now have the Platinum edition Escalade it goes for $85k, different front end and interior as well as a power side step that completely vanishes when up, and exclusive wheels. I think it also had cross drilled rotors. Its the first production vehicle to have LED headlights, they look ridiculous (in a good way).
post #529 of 578
6/30/08 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Thanks!

They now have the Platinum edition Escalade it goes for $85k, different front end and interior as well as a power side step that completely vanishes when up, and exclusive wheels. I think it also had cross drilled rotors. Its the first production vehicle to have LED headlights, they look ridiculous (in a good way).
Our headlights are halogen, pre-Xenon. they suck!

My S4 avant has Bi-Xenon's they are amazing!
post #530 of 578
6/30/08 at 8:57pm
Congrats Rich - enjoy your new ride!!

You know … you have single-handedly set us on a course for world destruction, but hey - enjoy! <wink> <LOL>

Now … pig out on some of that bubblin’ crude this winter and get thee to a ski area! No excuses now baby!!
post #531 of 578
6/30/08 at 11:03pm
There was a time when buying American was applauded. Considering we are practically owned by foreign interests thanks to run away consumer buying of imports, there is probably nothing you can do that's more important than supporting domestic jobs. Thanks for buying American! Enjoy



Now that you've done your part, just don't drive.
post #532 of 578
7/1/08 at 5:00am
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Forester has a great deal for 24 mo 74% res 15k and a .0021 MF.
I'm holding out for that deal with zero down. Any chances of that happening later this summer?
post #533 of 578
7/1/08 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
We racked up over 500 miles this weekend and loved every bit of it. I got an average fuel economy of 14mpg according to the onboard computer. The advertised use is 12/18. Ill post some pics after I get it washed...bugs all over the white paint.
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Dude, (and I mean- dude) I built a '72 Blazer with a crate motor that got 12mpg out of the box. It was all new moving parts, and cost me less than 10K.

I got 12mpg- and you need a computer to give you 14?

And I would argue, with my chest held high, that my '72 had wwaaaaay more interior room than your escalade. It looked 10times tougher too, ya wimp. I rode 33's.

You my friend, have just been "Richie-Riched."

Yeah, your name has just been verbed. From here-on-out, we'll refer to idiocies such as this as "You've been Richi-Riched."

At least you're famous.

For the viewers, I'll build you twice the vehicle for half the price... in my garage. Warranty? Of course, it's fricking metal. Oh... and you'll have to go elsewhere for an onboard mpg computer.
post #534 of 578
7/1/08 at 5:59am
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Originally Posted by MattL View Post
I'm holding out for that deal with zero down. Any chances of that happening later this summer?
You can roll the upfronts into teh lease, but IMHO if you are going to do this, you aren't going to beat these terms that are offered now, plus you should still be able to get these right around invoice. If you need a PA dealer to work with, let me know.
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post #535 of 578
7/1/08 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
Dude, (and I mean- dude) I built a '72 Blazer with a crate motor that got 12mpg out of the box. It was all new moving parts, and cost me less than 10K.

I got 12mpg- and you need a computer to give you 14?

And I would argue, with my chest held high, that my '72 had wwaaaaay more interior room than your escalade. It looked 10times tougher too, ya wimp. I rode 33's.

You my friend, have just been "Richie-Riched."

Yeah, your name has just been verbed. From here-on-out, we'll refer to idiocies such as this as "You've been Richi-Riched."

At least you're famous.

For the viewers, I'll build you twice the vehicle for half the price... in my garage. Warranty? Of course, it's fricking metal. Oh... and you'll have to go elsewhere for an onboard mpg computer.
My Jeep can roll over you and your 72' Blazer....big f-ing deal....and oh yeah I built it myself, even designed, built and installed a 12 pt DOM roll cage, tubular safari doors, and a retractable full length rag top. It rolls on 35" rock crawling tires with pro-competition bead locked rims. I've been holding back but it must be said, you my friend are quite ignorant. Come back to the USA, visit a dealer test drive a Denali or Escalade and then state your opinions. Your 72' is so many worlds away from what a new large SUV is like, that they hardly deserve to even be in the same catagory.
post #536 of 578
7/1/08 at 8:19am
Not taking sides here or anything, but aren't you the guy who never had enough cash to ski as much as you wanted? Priorities.

And by the way. I put half a tank (half!) of unleaded in my Forester the other day for like 47 euros. That's $74. So I don't want to hear any of you guys whining about the price of gas.
post #537 of 578
7/1/08 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
My Jeep can roll over you and your 72' Blazer....big f-ing deal....and oh yeah I built it myself, even designed, built and installed a 12 pt DOM roll cage, tubular safari doors, and a retractable full length rag top. It rolls on 35" rock crawling tires with pro-competition bead locked rims. I've been holding back but it must be said, you my friend are quite ignorant. Come back to the USA, visit a dealer test drive a Denali or Escalade and then state your opinions. Your 72' is so many worlds away from what a new large SUV is like, that they hardly deserve to even be in the same catagory.
I think you just proved Samuri's point.: Nobody can Richie Rich like Richie Rich.
post #538 of 578
7/1/08 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
My Jeep can roll over you and your 72' Blazer....big f-ing deal....and oh yeah I built it myself, even designed, built and installed a 12 pt DOM roll cage, tubular safari doors, and a retractable full length rag top. It rolls on 35" rock crawling tires with pro-competition bead locked rims. I've been holding back but it must be said, you my friend are quite ignorant. Come back to the USA, visit a dealer test drive a Denali or Escalade and then state your opinions. Your 72' is so many worlds away from what a new large SUV is like, that they hardly deserve to even be in the same catagory.


Because those mountain roads on Long Island are insane!:
post #539 of 578
7/2/08 at 9:44am
Congrats on the new ride Richie! Any pics of it?

A buddy of mine just picked up a crew cab 3/4 ton Chevy. Three of us took it ATVing a few weeks back. With three people, gear, a trailer and three quads, the thing still accellerated pretty good.

I kinda wish I was in the market right now for SUV/truck/Jeep. Like that other person mentioned, man, is it a buyers market.
post #540 of 578
7/2/08 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
What is really interesting is that RR would still want to buy a rig that will depreciate so greatly the moment he drives off the lot.

Quite literally throwing money into the wind just to watch it flutter.

People will do as they determine the need, I guess.
Girlfriend picked it out and paid for it. RR is just the driver, give him a break!
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