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post #331 of 578
5/22/08 at 8:46am
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If any readers still think this thread is about the car-- you're one of those cats who have never lived outside your element. You think your world is everywhere. Guess what... you don't get it yet.

This isn't your world. This is a planet with over 6 billion people. The rest of us would much rather assume that those of you who live your life to reach those egocentric ideals would quite simply dissappear. We're sick of pretending like it's okay. And, we're sick of living in a world where the rich don't have to care about anyone else anymore as if it's some acquired taste.

This is about life-style. This thread became about life-style a long time ago.

This has evolved into one guy defending his need to buy a giant SUV to bring nice clothes on a ski trip so he can dine-out at nice restaurants. See requirement #6. There are many others I'd like to go-off on, but #6 pretty much puts the frosting on the cake.

Everyone thinks that change has to be positive.

How about not going backwards? That would be progress in itself. The simple process of stopping people from digging the hole would be gigantic leap. Reaching those people with the shovels is the whole point of this thread.

[/gun-to-head graemlin]

RR, nobody cares about your luggage hitting your head on your ski trip. Stop defending yourself like that. The pot-holes analogy versus the mule was funny, but all that iterates is that the local city taxes don't cover road repairs... guess what... that's Anytown USA. You're not the only one.

Sorry, but this thread is no longer about RR's girly man-wagon.

Raise your hand if you understand that 6 billion people could give a rat's ass about you. They do care, however, about how much you stink-up the hole from which we are all trying to exit. If you don't limit your stink, we're going to have to apply diapers until you die- or... limit your calorie intake... whichever is faster.
You’re absolutely right, no one cares about my luggage issues, nor my other needs, or my transportation selection...that’s why in spite of your misguided attempt at dissuading me from obtaining a vehicle that would better fit my current lifestyle, I will follow through.

I will say this much, if the Hybrid version of my selected vehicle is not obscenely priced (right now they are going for $10k-15k more than gas models; which I probably will never recoup), I will consider one of those. But understand this, a Hybrid car is much more selfish a vehicle than a gas guzzler since the overall negative environmental impact of these newfangled cars, as crgildart correctly brings up, is much greater than of a conventional vehicle, and so the only thing they actually help is the pocket of the driver when it comes time to refuel....since I do have a conscience I may be discouraged from making such a selfish purchase for that reason alone.

Although I do not mind and have entertained the discussion in this thread, I am not seeking approval from anyone, the original post was just seeking feedback from those who have experience with the vehicles I am considering. I was not asking if anyone cares, nor what I should buy/lease, I was simply inquiring if those vehicles I am interested in have proven to be satisfactory for what I intend to use them for from a skier's standpoint.
post #332 of 578
5/22/08 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
OK folks lets take this a step further. Since we're sharing the planet with 6 billion other people it is rude and inconsiderate for me to drive a big 16 cylender 40 foot long SUV all by myself and suck up all the petroleum and funk up all the air for my own "wants". Using that logic it also isn't fair that some have more wealth, land, and money than others so we should just bust up all that and spread it around too regardless of all other things being considered
I think that's been tried, didn't work. Your arguements are all over the map. And besides, wealth doesn't excuse one from responsibility -- or it shouldn't anyway -- in real life it often has/does.

Rich and Paris can buy what they want. But don't try to justify it based on some ridiculous set of "needs". There is no f'n way two people on LI can NEED a vehicle like that...not based on his reasons. Now...a family MIGHT need a vehicle like that (I'd argue a minivan has much more utility than a Sport Utility Vehicle and usually get better hwy mileage too, but a lot of people go into seizures at the thought of being seen driving a minivan).

Rich and Paris take enough clothes for a six day ski trip that they need a Yukon? WTF? We did a two week trip with our two kids and 85 lb weimaraner last yaer -- a week in Long Island of all places, at the beach every day paddling, fishing, clamming, etc -- then directly from there up to the Adirondacks for a week of camping, hiking, paddling, biking. We took four kayaks, four bikes, a dog crate, fishing gear, two weeks worth of clothes, camping gear (slp bags, tent, cooking stuff, a cooler of food and beer), all in/on a Honda Odyssey. At home, we try not to drive the Ody much...use the smaller car and the scooters. But for Rich to say he n eeds a Yukon to take a ski trip cuase he and Paris need their wardrobe? Talk about wanting to puke. It's admitting that they can't even suffer the minor inconvenience of having to wear a pair of pants twice in one week.

His other reasons are just as ridiculous, but there's not enough time in the day to address each one (and I already did some of them). So my point is...get what you want, but don't try to rationalize your decision by making up some specious reasons to make yourself feel better.

I don't think big SUV's are the biggest threat to the environment out there. But the success of big SUV's (except in certain cases of true need) represents a mentality that I find repulsive, and which is unfortunately pervasive in some demographic and geographic pockets of the U.S.

I agree that hybrids aren't a true solution to energy and environmental issues. That's been apparent since the concept stage.

I also agree that people don't need to give up everything they enjoy to find ways to be socially and environmentally responsible.
post #333 of 578
5/22/08 at 8:57am
Since this is a skiing forum let's get back to what riding choices are arrogant and inconsiderate to others:

Snowboarders ice up the hill so they should be banned
Racer's gates leave all those ruts so they should be banned
Freedoggers bump up the joint so ban them too
And, the park ruins the beginner and intermediate terrain so ban them.
Get rid of every clown that rides a ski fatter than 78mm under foot when there isn't more than a foot of powder cause their skis are over the top for their basic needs.
Now, we've got nice fresh powder left, just get rid of anyone that might want to track it up before me. Keep on judging folks entire lifestyles and attitudes on superficial first imressions and this is what we get in the end...
post #334 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:02am
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Keep on judging folks entire lifestyles and attitudes on superficial first imressions and this is what we get in the end...
I think Rich has created much more than a first impression of himself here. And, most of it is superficial.

crgildart, what kind of SUV do you drive? :
post #335 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:04am
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but don't try to rationalize your decision by making up some specious reasons to make yourself feel better.
Those reasons I listed will not make myself feel any better or worse, but driving in comfort and safety with sufficient room to not make long trips more “involved” than they need be and not having to jam my skis in the back of the truck to the point that I bent one this season, that will make me feel better. Being able to be more eco-friendly by actually having room to carry friends or family when we do go on long trips, that will make me feel better. Not having to rent a black diesel smoke spewing, emissions exempt, truck every time I need to move something large from point A to point B......that will make me feel better.
post #336 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:16am
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Icrgildart, what kind of SUV do you drive? :
1996 Trooper LS It is also white:
post #337 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:19am
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I think Rich has created much more than a first impression of himself here. And, most of it is superficial.
How do you figure?

You're causes are also "superficial” in that case and might I add arrogant. Do you think that you are so mighty and powerful or that man is so mighty and powerful that we have the power to destroy the earth? We will be long gone and dead as a species and the earth will still be here, and it will heal from whatever stupidity we do while we are renting this space. Do you realize how much earth there actually is? Do you realize that if you were to look at earth as a peach, our measly impact would not even analogously be affecting the fuzz on the outside of the skin? Get over your judgmental high and mighty self.

Yes we have to preserve the environment we live in....but lets not fool ourselves its for selfish reasons. Whether it be for YOU, YOUR kids, YOUR grand kids, the nature YOU want to see and experience, the fresh air YOU want to breath or the clean water YOU want to drink. The bottom line is we want to preserve not for the sake of preservation but for all of our own selfish needs and wants.
post #338 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post
Rich and Paris take enough clothes for a six day ski trip that they need a Yukon? WTF? But for Rich to say he needs a Yukon to take a ski trip cuase he and Paris need their wardrobe? Talk about wanting to puke.
The part about needing to take 3 pairs of skis for Flaaton and Okemo was where the bile started to rise for me. What'll happen when he goes somewhere real? At least 10 pairs will be required. Thankfully he has 3 roofs racks (including 1 NIB) that he doesn't use....
post #339 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Those reasons I listed will not make myself feel any better or worse, but driving in comfort and safety with sufficient room to not make long trips more “involved” than they need be and not having to jam my skis in the back of the truck to the point that I bent one this season, that will make me feel better. Being able to be more eco-friendly by actually having room to carry friends or family when we do go on long trips, that will make me feel better. Not having to rent a black diesel smoke spewing, emissions exempt, truck every time I need to move something large from point A to point B......that will make me feel better.
C'mon Rich....the few times you'd carry friends and family is worth driving a Yukon -- when you know 99% of your driving will be with one or two people in the car?

And...you're moving something huge every weekend? Get real.

I'm not buyin it. BIG Suv's are ok for families who feel too insecure to drive a minivan. They're ok to haul trailers. They're ok if you take your three Newfie's everywhere. They suck for two people in urban/suburban Long Island.

As for needing the space...see my post about a two week trip with kids and dog in one vehicle. You don't need it, but go ahead and keep trying to justify to yourself that you do. I know a lot of people in Long Island, and you represent well.
post #340 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:23am
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The part about needing to take 3 pairs of skis for Flaaton and Okemo was where the bile started to rise for me. What'll happen when he goes somewhere real? At least 10 pairs will be required. Thankfully he has 3 roofs racks (including 1 NIB) that he doesn't use....
GS, SL, and all mountain carver.....next season it may be 4 or 5. Need a crud buster and might be getting a cheater ski that will work better in NASTAR.
post #341 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Yes we have to preserve the environment we live in....but lets not fool ourselves its for selfish reasons. Whether it be for YOU, YOUR kids, YOUR grand kids, the nature YOU want to see and experience, the fresh air YOU want to breath or the clean water YOU want to drink. The bottom line is we want to preserve not for the sake of preservation but for all of our own selfish needs and wants.
Yeah...mmmhmmm..ok...wanting to drink clean water = selfish? I'm not sure whether to laugh at that, or scratch my head in wonder. Your capacity for logic and rational thought is startling.
post #342 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:29am
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The fact that you dont get it......now that is startling.
post #343 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
R-R would have been skewered about 50 times by now on TGR. He should try Alpinezone where they'd be awestruck since he skiis the awesome big hills like Hunter, Okemo and Flatton. But then the competition's pretty stiff in the dweeb dept there.

Good post samurai - expanding life experience makes some of this even more juvenile and misdirected than it initially appears. Some have strange requirements and priorities.
Doubt that. Not sure the Mags would waste 11 pages on this. Just another typical Epic thread.
post #344 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
How do you figure?

You're causes are also "superficial” in that case and might I add arrogant. 1) Do you think that you are so mighty and powerful or that man is so mighty and powerful that we have the power to destroy the earth? 2) We will be long gone and dead as a species and the earth will still be here, and it will heal from whatever stupidity we do while we are renting this space. 3) Do you realize how much earth there actually is? Do you realize that if you were to look at earth as a peach, our measly impact would not even analogously be affecting the fuzz on the outside of the skin? Get over your judgmental high and mighty self.

4) Yes we have to preserve the environment we live in....but lets not fool ourselves its for selfish reasons. Whether it be for YOU, YOUR kids, YOUR grand kids, the nature YOU want to see and experience, the fresh air YOU want to breath or the clean water YOU want to drink. The bottom line is we want to preserve not for the sake of preservation but for all of our own selfish needs and wants.
1) Umm, yes. It was called the Cold War for the 50's and 60's.
2) Well, non-renewable resources are called such because they're non-renewable (ie once they're gone they're gone - simple, no?). The earth will not heal from our stupidity of overusing the resources we take today, notwithstanding how hard we (you) try to justify it.
3) Try going to some 3rd world (or even China) countries and get back to me on that one. If you think that our actions aren't even "affecting the skin on the peach", well you're REALLY delusional.
4) Preserve the environment and your stated lifestyle is in the realm of mutually exclusive. Yes, I think it's important that I participate in leaving the earth in good conditions for my kids, future generations etc. No doubt that's a selfish want and need. :
post #345 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
How do you figure?


Yes we have to preserve the environment we live in....but lets not fool ourselves its for selfish reasons. Whether it be for YOU, YOUR kids, YOUR grand kids, the nature YOU want to see and experience, the fresh air YOU want to breath or the clean water YOU want to drink. The bottom line is we want to preserve not for the sake of preservation but for all of our own selfish needs and wants.
Let's not forget Mother Theresa and HER selfish reasons in Calcutta. Doing all that good work just so SHE could feel better about herself. Selfish woman.
post #346 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:50am
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1) Umm, yes. It was called the Cold War for the 50's and 60's. Funny thing the earth is still here and so are we

2) Well, non-renewable resources are called such because they're non-renewable (ie once they're gone they're gone - simple, no?). The earth will not heal from our stupidity of overusing the resources we take today, notwithstanding how hard we (you) try to justify it. Really...how do you think those resources were formed to begin with? There is a reason its called "dinofuel" in the future they will have "humafuel". What does it matter anyway we are the only creatures that use oil and look at the mess that's creating.....and oh yeah WE need and want these things for our selfish needs and wants:

3) Try going to some 3rd world (or even China) countries and get back to me on that one. If you think that our actions aren't even "affecting the skin on the peach", well you're REALLY delusional. It is not the rest of the world's problem that a group of people wish to reproduce like rabbits and then choose to pile into one squared off area. I suggest you look into some geology and see how deep into the planet we truly are.

4) Preserve the environment and your stated lifestyle is in the realm of mutually exclusive. Yes, I think it's important that I participate in leaving the earth in good conditions for my kids, future generations etc. No doubt that's a selfish want and need. : At least we agree on that
post #347 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
GS, SL, and all mountain carver.....next season it may be 4 or 5. Need a crud buster and might be getting a cheater ski that will work better in NASTAR.
Five skis for 11 days...do you wonder why you take so much heat?
post #348 of 578
5/22/08 at 9:59am
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Nope, just like if I had to I could live my life with one pair of pants, shirt shoes and undergarments, but do not. I do not have to ski the same skis everyday for every condition I may encounter even though I could if I had to.
post #349 of 578
5/22/08 at 10:01am
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The fact that you dont get it......now that is startling.
Rich, you are a master debater, and this post was the climax of your skills.

You and Paris should do well together.
post #350 of 578
5/22/08 at 10:03am
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Nope, just like if I had to I could live my life with one pair of pants, shirt shoes and undergarments, but do not. I do not have to ski the same skis everyday for every condition I may encounter even though I could if I had to.
What conditions do you encounter at Flatton or Okemo besides flat and icy? Powder - please - there's not enough decent vertical to get speed to float anyway.

3 pairs of skis for south VT and different conditions- Hahahahahaha..............
post #351 of 578
5/22/08 at 10:07am
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What conditions do you encounter at Flatton or Okemo besides flat and icy? Powder - please - there's not enough decent vertical to get speed to float anyway.

3 pairs of skis for south VT and different conditions- Hahahahahaha..............

Oh you're right no one on the East coast deserves to have more than one pair of skis......wow I am going to duck and cover now because you friend just opened yourself up to one hell of a cyber ass whooping.
post #352 of 578
5/22/08 at 10:08am
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Doubt that. Not sure the Mags would waste 11 pages on this. Just another typical Epic thread.
OK, if you say so....http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=123597
post #353 of 578
5/22/08 at 10:09am
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Rich, you are a master debater, and this post was the climax of your skills.

You and Paris should do well together.
Thanks for your approval...we do.:
post #354 of 578
5/22/08 at 10:14am
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Oh you're right no one on the East coast deserves to have more than one pair of skis......wow I am going to duck and cover now because you friend just opened yourself up to one hell of a cyber ass whopping.
Nice try, but I didn't say that - I said 3 pairs for Flatton and Okemo is absurd, particularly for the "changing conditions" - what from bulletproof hardpack to ice? If someone wants to "cyber ass whopping" (fyi it's whooping), for someone who wants to get to 5 pairs for changing conditions at those "resorts" bring it on.

What will you do when you go somewhere big enough that you get real changing conditions on every run- that'll be funny to watch.
post #355 of 578
5/22/08 at 10:17am
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Didnt know that now I was restricted to only skiing in two locations:.....maybe I should sell all my gear
post #356 of 578
5/22/08 at 10:22am
I know the area in which double RR lives. It is a place where far
to frquently possessions are prioritized over people. Any criticism
of his life style woule be nothing compared to what he would
get in his own neighborhood for having a simple environmental
friendly car in his driveway. Yes, maybe you have to change
the world one person at a time, but it would be futile to start
in his zip code
post #357 of 578
5/22/08 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Didnt know that now I was restricted to only skiing in two locations:.....maybe I should sell all my gear
These are the places YOU said you took your 3 pairs to with all their (apparently) changing conditions necssitating a full quiver : (well there was Hunter too, no doubt that changes everything).

Obfuscation appears to be a specialty of yours.
post #358 of 578
5/22/08 at 10:24am

Great seats, eh buddy!




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post #359 of 578
5/22/08 at 10:29am
Hey, I used to have two pairs of skis for Hunter.
One for ice the other for rocks.
post #360 of 578
5/22/08 at 10:32am
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I know the area in which double RR lives. It is a place where far
to frquently possessions are prioritized over people. Any criticism
of his life style woule be nothing compared to what he would
get in his own neighborhood for having a simple environmental
friendly car in his driveway. Yes, maybe you have to change
the world one person at a time, but it would be futile to start
in his zip code
Not necessarily, My family lived in Huntiungton Bay for six years. I knew a few folks that lived along the north shore in modest size homes and were pretty earth friendly types, walked or rode when possible, used their own shopping bags, and lived off the land when they could-fish, clams/oysters, etc.. All the while sitting on million dollar + little lots of beach property. But, in general most out that way are extremely materialistic. But, there are those "yupppie types" in gated suburban USA subdivisions in every state and most cities, probably most major cities in the world. I try to set a good example myself (other than driving an SUV) and not fret or fuss about what the others do. How much does it really matter to me what other people do in the grand scheme of things anyway?
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