If any readers still think this thread is about the car-- you're one of those cats who have never lived outside your element. You think your world is everywhere. Guess what... you don't get it yet.
This isn't your world. This is a planet with over 6 billion people. The rest of us would much rather assume that those of you who live your life to reach those egocentric ideals would quite simply dissappear. We're sick of pretending like it's okay. And, we're sick of living in a world where the rich don't have to care about anyone else anymore as if it's some acquired taste.
This is about life-style. This thread became about life-style a long time ago.
This has evolved into one guy defending his need to buy a giant SUV to bring nice clothes on a ski trip so he can dine-out at nice restaurants. See requirement #6. There are many others I'd like to go-off on, but #6 pretty much puts the frosting on the cake.
Everyone thinks that change has to be positive.
How about not going backwards? That would be progress in itself. The simple process of stopping people from digging the hole would be gigantic leap. Reaching those people with the shovels is the whole point of this thread.
RR, nobody cares about your luggage hitting your head on your ski trip. Stop defending yourself like that. The pot-holes analogy versus the mule was funny, but all that iterates is that the local city taxes don't cover road repairs... guess what... that's Anytown USA. You're not the only one.
Sorry, but this thread is no longer about RR's girly man-wagon.
Raise your hand if you understand that 6 billion people could give a rat's ass about you. They do care, however, about how much you stink-up the hole from which we are all trying to exit. If you don't limit your stink, we're going to have to apply diapers until you die- or... limit your calorie intake... whichever is faster.
I will say this much, if the Hybrid version of my selected vehicle is not obscenely priced (right now they are going for $10k-15k more than gas models; which I probably will never recoup), I will consider one of those. But understand this, a Hybrid car is much more selfish a vehicle than a gas guzzler since the overall negative environmental impact of these newfangled cars, as crgildart correctly brings up, is much greater than of a conventional vehicle, and so the only thing they actually help is the pocket of the driver when it comes time to refuel....since I do have a conscience I may be discouraged from making such a selfish purchase for that reason alone.
Although I do not mind and have entertained the discussion in this thread, I am not seeking approval from anyone, the original post was just seeking feedback from those who have experience with the vehicles I am considering. I was not asking if anyone cares, nor what I should buy/lease, I was simply inquiring if those vehicles I am interested in have proven to be satisfactory for what I intend to use them for from a skier's standpoint.