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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi there,

Firstly can I say I'm stoked to find this forum, it's gold. Lots of great discussion, I could be entertained for hours here, but cos i'm impatient, and eager to buy myself some ski's i'd be keen to get some advice from you fine people...

I'm looking to buy some brand spanking new k2 ski's... ohhh the excitement!

I've been recommended the K2 lotta luv, as a female skier.
Without being completely in the know, I'm just not sure about going with ladies ski's, I'm an aggressive skier that typically likes a good heavy ski that makes me work for my post-ski "glow", I like ski-ing hard and fast on the hard stuff, and I'm probably on the groomed stuff more than I'd like to admit, but I want the versatility of getting first tracks in the fluffy stuff, and to handle well on the icy patches, not uncommon to NZ slopes.
Basically, I want my cake, and I want to eat it too!

... if I go with a ladies ski, rather than say the male Recon version, am I giving up anything I might otherwise miss?

Would be really keen to get any feedback on K2 ski's.
Particularly anyone that's skied both the lotta luv's and the Recon's.

Thanks guys... and roll on southern hemisphere winter!

Cheers!
post #2 of 15
I ski the Lotta Luv and my friend Ursula skis the Recons. She says the Lottas aren't enough ski for her, but she applies more force to the skis than I do, being bigger and stronger and more aggressive than me--she outweighs me by about 25 lbs and has about 4 inches on me heightwise.

The Lotta Luv is plenty ski for me. I am 5'2" (stretching) and about 115 lbs. Of all the expert skis in K2 women's line, it is the one-quiver ski.

I really like the Tough Luv too, particularly for the soft snow we get here in Montana.
post #3 of 15
I've never understood why people choose the brand they want first.,

Don't limit yourself. Chances are something from another company might be better for you.
post #4 of 15
Aside from mounting point, there is very little difference between the Recon and the Lotta. I have tested both repeatedly but have never been able to go back to back on identical sizes. I can't feel a difference that couldn't be attributed to the mount point and differing lengths. In fact, in the same length, they weigh exactly the same. A cynic might suppose that they were identical. I might not go that far but....they are very very close.

You mention hard snow and icy patches a couple of times so I make the assumption that condition is one of your priorities. With the exception of the current '08 Crossfire, I would generally describe K2's as "adequate" on very hard snow. If you are light and/or ski with a light touch, I'd say that the LottaCon could be a consideration. Both skis are quite good at soft broken snow.

OTH, if you are in the 135-140 lb range and ski with a heavy foot, then there are probably other skis in the same width range that might serve you better on the hard snow portion of the spectrum..

The Volkl Attiva Tierra and Nordica Nitrous (unisex) are two options among many.

SJ
post #5 of 15
FYI: K2 is introducing a new model next season (08/09 here) called Xplorer, Very similar to the Recon in shape and handling (according to early testing) but a little fatter in the waist, 83 or 84, compared to 79 for the Recon.
post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by SkiLover View Post
FYI: K2 is introducing a new model next season (08/09 here) called Xplorer, Very similar to the Recon in shape and handling (according to early testing) but a little fatter in the waist, 83 or 84, compared to 79 for the Recon.
Smallest size is a 170

SJ
post #7 of 15
My wife skies the Lotta love and doesn't like it that much. Say's it isn't enough ski for her. Wants something stiffer.

Next year's Outlaw, which I have skied is a KILLER ski, but maybe too much if you are lighter then say 150lbs.

Haven't skied the Explorer.

However, Stoklie makes awesome skies as does just about everyone, don't limit your choices to just K2, that would be a mistake.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by Ske-Bum View Post
Next year's Outlaw, which I have skied is a KILLER ski, but maybe too much if you are lighter then say 150lbs.
Again...smallest size is 170 and also not a great choice for really hard snow.

SJ
post #9 of 15
Hi carvin_it_up,

Nolo is correct, I like the Recon a heck of a lot more than the Lotta Luv. I personally dislike the "bioflex" core. (The wood core changes from stiffer wood under foot to softer wood in tip and tail.) For teaching is was OK, but for my own free skiing I didn't like it. I am 5'6" (168 cm) and weigh about 140 lbs (64 kg).
My all around ski for every day is the Outlaw in 167 cm. (My Recon is 160 cm.)

I do recommend the Lotta Luv (and Tough Luv) for a lot of my female clients. Not knowing how you personally ski (or your weight and heights) I really can't make an educated guess, which one I would recommend for you. If you want to PM me - please feel free to do so.

Have a great season in NZ. Ours here was just outstanding!!

Ursula
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
I've never understood why people choose the brand they want first.,

Don't limit yourself. Chances are something from another company might be better for you.
Sorry, I should have explained myself a little better on this one, as I'd tend to agree normally... that picking the brand would be a little bit strange before the ski... but in my case, I have a hook up at K2, so i'm eager to use the opportunity
post #11 of 15
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In fact, in the same length, they weigh exactly the same. A cynic might suppose that they were identical. I might not go that far but....they are very very close.
That's really interesting to hear!

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You mention hard snow and icy patches a couple of times so I make the assumption that condition is one of your priorities. With the exception of the current '08 Crossfire, I would generally describe K2's as "adequate" on very hard snow. If you are light and/or ski with a light touch, I'd say that the LottaCon could be a consideration. Both skis are quite good at soft broken snow.

OTH, if you are in the 135-140 lb range and ski with a heavy foot, then there are probably other skis in the same width range that might serve you better on the hard snow portion of the spectrum..


SJ
I'm probably closer to 150 lb and about 5'6'' - NZ snow conditions very quite rapidly from field to field, day to day - so conditions are very well, variable.
I'd probably say I'm more aggressive, than a light touch, and like to make my ski work for me, rather than the other way round.

Thanks, will definitely take your opinions into consideration.
cheers!
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by Little Bear View Post
Hi carvin_it_up,
I personally dislike the "bioflex" core. (The wood core changes from stiffer wood under foot to softer wood in tip and tail.)
Would I be right in thinking that the recon's wood core might be a little heavier/stiffer than the lotta's bioflex core?
I personally like a bit more stiffness, and a bit o weight that i can work with.

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I do recommend the Lotta Luv (and Tough Luv) for a lot of my female clients. Not knowing how you personally ski (or your weight and heights) I really can't make an educated guess, which one I would recommend for you.
I use to do quite a bit of GS ski racing, did some part time ski instructing about 5 years ago at a small club resort. I'm now 26 and struggling to get days on the mountain, but when I do, I'm into carving it up with quite a bit of speed. i'm confident to tackle any run on the mountain, but to be honest I stick mainly to the groomed stuff to get some good carving in, plus I'm teaching my partner how to ski at the same time.
Like I said previously, I do like to make my ski's work for me, rather than the other way round - if that doesn't sound too crazy? I'm approx 5' 6'', and about 150 lb.

Thanks for your feedback so far, it's really helpful.

Cheers!
Bec
post #13 of 15
I'd seriously consider the Crossfire. My wife skied the newer version (07-08) last week on snowy groomers all over Breckenridge. She's maybe an inch taller and slightly heavier. She was using my first pair of the vertical sidewall version in a 167. She didn't like the Recon on hard snow here in the Midwest because she had to "work harder" to turn 'em, which I take to mean they were slightly slower to respond. The 08-09 Crossfire, which I presume would be what K2 would supply you for your upcoming season, is a couple mm wider than the 07-08, so should be even better in shallow powder. When I skied it on hard snow last month, it had even better edge hold than my 07-08s. I was on the latter in both cut up and uncut powder close to knee deep last week and they performed as well as my Recons I used for similar stuff a couple days earlier. Again, I'm on a 167. I'm similar height but sixty pounds heavier.
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by carvin_it_up View Post
Sorry, I should have explained myself a little better on this one, as I'd tend to agree normally... that picking the brand would be a little bit strange before the ski... but in my case, I have a hook up at K2, so i'm eager to use the opportunity
I figured that was the case, although I have met people that would only buy one brand no matter what. Crazy.

I'n not super familiar with k2's line, but don't be afraid to look at some of their mid fat twin tips, I think some if them are a little livelier than the apache line, while still being very forgiving.
post #15 of 15
I'm 5'8" and weight varies a lot, but somewhere between 150 and 170 pounds depending on the season. I fell in love with the XP years ago and followed it up with its progeny, the Recon. Trashed the Recon in an accident 06-07 and bought the Outlaw before I knew the fate of the Recon (anyone want twice-drilled Recons? Have like 150 days on them, but they look great and don't have a lot of mogul bashing in their history). I enjoyed the Outlaw A LOT this year, but went back to the old XP's for days when it was just groomers. They're pretty played out, tho, so grabbed some end of season Recons from FormulaSports (I think they're down to $390 or so since I bought them, darn it). I also like the Auras from Völkl, which is the ONLY woman's ski I've ever had a good opinion of. I guess if my ski style was still moldable, I'd be interested in forward mounting points, but after 35 years, changes come slowly. Anyway, for me, much as I like K2, I'm not as nuts about their women's skis FOR ME. I think they're for someone lighter.
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