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post #31 of 32
Originally Posted by alex_sauvage View Post
I am curious why would you say that? It seems to me that narrow width of "true slalom" skis will make them better (or more agile) on the groomed/normal slopes. What am I missing here?
True race slalom skis are intended to be used on very icy race courses. Smooth or with ruts. With today's agressive, modern grooming, very rarely on any mountain will you find true ice hardpack.

Normally, you'll find groomed packed powder, or machined groomed hardpack which is basicly death cookies (ice chunks from marble to softball size) and sugar snow (ice dust) on top of ice which cana become exposed in patches.

For those kinds of conditions, pretty any type of midfat ski is preferable, because how how they plow through the variable snow without getting hung up. The higher end metrons are certainly not race skis, but they offer a pretty high level of performance and some of the characteristics of a race ski (plate+heavy binding), but better real world practicality (for groomer slalom carving).

FYI - my new ice ski this year is basicly a gs metron in steroids. 192 elan M777 with S916's and a Vist v13 plate. A fat GS ski setup with a real race binding and plate. They destroy any type of mixed icy snow conditon, spring slop, and are workable all around for heavy setup (~20 lb). Very stable at speed but still able to turn.
post #32 of 32
Originally Posted by narc View Post
I have only skied the mentron 9 and they were okey but not great. They felt slow edge to edge, a bit floppy and edge hold wan't that great. I don't know anything about where it fits in the range so perhaps it is a low end metron and the others (B5 etc.) are better.

They felt nothing like a slalom ski.
The M9 was the lower model in the line and the least like a true high end "race stock" built ski (racing or otherwise). I have no idea what size you skied, but I'll guess it was too short for you. It may also have been tuned badly.

You are correct that they may feel slow edge to edge, especially compared to a rec slalom with a moderately low lift. Both lift and width (and to a certain extent, mass) have an effect on how fast a ski is "edge to edge" (not talking about overall quickness). A flat mounted 85mm waist ski with light bindings can feel as quick edge to edge as a 70mm waist ski with a tall lift, or a 65mm WC race stock slalom with a burly plate and heavy race bindings. Thus, a ~75mm metron with high lift and heavy neox bindings will certainly feel somewhat slower edge to edge than some skis, but still somewhat close to a true racing SL setup. Really. They would still feel slightly slower edge to edge than a consumer (atomic sl11) or rec slalom (atomic sl9, extremely fast)....but compareable to a race stock setup.

As for the ski itself, the higher end models are stiffer and would have more of the longitudinal and torsional stiffness compareable to a consumer slalom ski, and this can contribute to the feeling of "quickness" when carving short turns.

Personally, I've never found any real race ski to feel particularly "quick", even SL's. Fast, stable freight trains is what they are. Rec slaloms, however are typically this quickest skis on the market, and that can make them very fun.

Hopefully that explains a bit better.

On a side note, yesterday I was skiing my 200cm Nordica Ultrawave MF's (late 90's midfat, light gs sandwich construction, 74mm waist with a ~30m+ sidecut) with flat mounted salomon 957 composites (yes, the ones from the late 80's-early 90's. Nice old school setup. Very quick edge to edge, a relatively light weight setup overall, and a lighter/livelier feeling construction....however, due to their length (fairly high swing weight), straightish sidecut and VERY high stiffness by modern standards they really couldn't be called "quick". Certainly a ski of severe contrasts. Lots of fun when I want to kick it old school and about as close as I would want to come to a traditional ski these days.
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