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Bumps end in disaster

post #1 of 59
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I'm not sure how hurt she is but it wasn't good. My daughter (7) skied a beautiful, soft blue bump run at Copper this weekend and got hurt. *sigh* It was her first time skiing bumps and she was having a GREAT time. Then she got going a bit too fast and they were pretty deep. She got jumping from one to the next until the inevitable happened. She managed to ski again in the afternoon after some ice and rest but last night was pretty miserable. She actually woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't walk to the bathroom. This morning after more ice and Motrin she seems a bit better. I'm hoping something was just twisted a bit but nothing tore! ray! I'm hoping since this was the last trip of the year she will forget about the spill and just remember the fun she had before that. Has anyone had a child injure themselves pretty seriously? What happened? What was the outcome? Do they still ski?
post #2 of 59
Um, when do you plan on taking her to the doctor?
post #3 of 59
Oh, marge! I don't have kids but I feel you pain. Hope it all works out, and will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
post #4 of 59
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post
Um, when do you plan on taking her to the doctor?
Doctor?
whan I was 7 my taped me together with two popcicle sticks and told me to go outside and play.

Marge, let us know what the doctor says.
post #5 of 59
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I'll take her to our family doctor when we get home. We fly back tomorrow so I'll get her in on Wednesday if she's still limping.
post #6 of 59
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
Doctor?
whan I was 7 my taped me together with two popcicle sticks and told me to go outside and play.

Marge, let us know what the doctor says.
Yep, that's me. I was an ER nurse for about 6 years before having kids. I tend to not panic about things. There's nothing they would do now except tell me to ice it and give her motrin.
post #7 of 59
I wish I had X-ray vision like you do.
post #8 of 59
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Originally Posted by marge View Post
Yep, that's me. I was an ER nurse for about 6 years before having kids. I tend to not panic about things. There's nothing they would do now except tell me to ice it and give her motrin.
Except maybe actually diagnose what's wrong with her, do an X-ray, stabilize the injury, and recommend proper follow-up treatment.

But who wants to do all that boring doctor crap when you were an ER nurse. It's only your child.

At least you plan to take her to a doctor eventually.
post #9 of 59
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Wow! That was a bit harsh. I have no crystal ball to look in. Must have stepped on some doctor toes while I was at it. : Oh.... and I let her go out and run a marathon in the interim. What the heck did you think I did? I put her on the couch with ice. Do you think they would do emergency surgery when we're left in town for about 24 hours?

I guess you have no respect for the nurses you work with to make any sort of judgements on their own skills unlike where I worked. I guess I should thank my lucky stars that I got a job there instead of other places with those who "know all".

It IS my child. I'm sure that I will know from her behavior and how she's doing what I may or may not do with her. Thanks for your overwhelming concern though.


Thanks to those OTHERS for your support. She's actually doing much better today (our flight home). She says it doesn't hurt but she's still hobbling a bit and it's quite swollen. The doc I work for referred me to a sports medicine physician who sees peds cases. I'm hoping he can get her in this week as she's on spring break so we could go anytime.
post #10 of 59
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post
Except maybe actually diagnose what's wrong with her, do an X-ray, stabilize the injury, and recommend proper follow-up treatment.

Also just wanted to say that doctors aren't sometimes the most adept at making a diagnosis either. When we took our first baby to the ER they misdiagnosed him and less than 12 hours later he died so forgive me if I don't hold doctor's as holy as some others might. They don't know everything either. :
post #11 of 59
FWIW Marge has been around Epic for a while. I've connected with her on more than one occasion and know that she is a loving, caring mom.
I have no doubt she is taking care of her daughter just fine.
Now, where is my popcicle stick and duct tape?
post #12 of 59
I broke my leg when I was about 13 while skiing offpiste and hitting bumps with a lot of speed. Light was bad so I didn't notice the bumps and flew into the air. When I landed it was on a bump facing upwards. My leg broke in the boot - so freaking painful. I also hurt my head and my knee but I'm still skiing Don't worry about her - kids are used to getting hurt in sports, but they will forget the next time they have fun on skis
post #13 of 59
If my child could not walk to the bathroom, I would get that leg x-rayed.
post #14 of 59
I know a lot of people who manage to blow their knee and keep skiing. A good friend even broke his back and didn't even know it until he got an X-ray. I had a torn achilles for a week before I realized that it wasn't going to get better so I'd better get it checked out.

It's my interpretation that this may be why people above me got on the defensive. Doctors make mistakes all the time, but X-rays can be pretty solid. I'm sure you know all this, but it hadn't been iterated yet.

Your girl will likely forget about it unless it drags on and on. I've seen kids fall from chairlifts, ball their eyes out, and be laughing by the afternoon. It's almost as if they assumed that falling out of the chair was just part of the game.

I have no doubt that your judgement is spot on. Most mothers are.
post #15 of 59
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If my child could not walk to the bathroom, I would get that leg x-rayed.
No kidding.

Sometimes, a little knowledge can do more harm than good.

I mean no offense Marge, but you were a nurse. Not a doctor.

If my child couldn't walk because of an unknown, undiagnosed injury, she wouldn't be sitting at home for days with a bag of ice.
post #16 of 59
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post
No kidding.

Sometimes, a little knowledge can do more harm than good.

I mean no offense Marge, but you were a nurse. Not a doctor.

If my child couldn't walk because of an unknown, undiagnosed injury, she wouldn't be sitting at home for days with a bag of ice.
Being a nurse or a doctor has nothing to do with it. I have had a doctor tell me nothing was broken until I insisted they x-ray as I could feel two bones moving where I only had one bone before. Sure enough I had a break. I have also had a doctor miss an obvious break even with an x-ray. I have seen lots of pretty crappy diagnostics from doctors.
post #17 of 59
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Being a nurse or a doctor has nothing to do with it. I have had a doctor tell me nothing was broken until I insisted they x-ray as I could feel two bones moving where I only had one bone before. Sure enough I had a break. I have also had a doctor miss an obvious break even with an x-ray. I have seen lots of pretty crappy diagnostics from doctors.
That doesn't mean doctors are worthless or that you shouldn't take your child to see a doctor when he or she has injured her leg so badly that she can no longer walk on it the next day.

Or that it's responsible to just wait a few days.
post #18 of 59
Right you are Jonnythan. It means you should look at the x-rays.
post #19 of 59
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Thanks TC.

Okay.... enough already. The point is I'm her mother, I made the decision to wait, I will seek treatment when and from whom I see fit. It's over and done with now so let's move on. I'm not sure if some of you have little girls but they tend to blow things out of proportion and when they do that time and time again you tend you wonder if things are as bad as they say they are. Parents make judgememt calls all the time on when to take their children to the doctor. That is our JOB. Okay.... you would have taken your child to the doctor, obviously I did not. Doesn't make one better than another, just different. Oh.... and until you're IN that situation you truly can never know what you "would do".

I'll let you know what the sports medicine physician says.
post #20 of 59
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
Being a nurse or a doctor has nothing to do with it. I have had a doctor tell me nothing was broken until I insisted they x-ray as I could feel two bones moving where I only had one bone before. Sure enough I had a break. I have also had a doctor miss an obvious break even with an x-ray. I have seen lots of pretty crappy diagnostics from doctors.
I went to an emergency room in Las Vegas after a mountain biking crash to have an x-ray and spent a week in a cast because the ER doc misdiagnosed a sprained wrist as a broken one. I agree with Marge, one day extra is not going to hurt to get a proper diagnoses by an specialist that will be treating your kid at home.
post #21 of 59
I've got two kids. If one of them got hurt skiing and my wife, an ER nurse, handled their care til we got home, I think I'd be OK with that. Is someone a doctor on this thread or something?
post #22 of 59
My mom wasn't an er nurse, yet I put her through the mill when it came to er challenges.

I clearly remember the words from the doc one day when she took me too him.
"Nancy, looks like you've already got her on the mend. Need any more supplies?"

I'm not discounting doctors in any way, but knowing Marge like I do, and having the history of being that kid who put my mom through "it", I am confident she is on track.
I'll even bet that the doc won't scold her.

I think I'll call my mom now and let her know I love her.
post #23 of 59
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Originally Posted by marge View Post
Thanks TC.

Okay.... enough already. The point is I'm her mother, I made the decision to wait, I will seek treatment when and from whom I see fit. It's over and done with now so let's move on. I'm not sure if some of you have little girls but they tend to blow things out of proportion and when they do that time and time again you tend you wonder if things are as bad as they say they are. Parents make judgememt calls all the time on when to take their children to the doctor. That is our JOB. Okay.... you would have taken your child to the doctor, obviously I did not. Doesn't make one better than another, just different. Oh.... and until you're IN that situation you truly can never know what you "would do".

I'll let you know what the sports medicine physician says.
Heh ... when we were kids, my neighbor was skiing with his family, fell, hurt his leg, made a big deal "Augh, my leg is broken, my leg is broken!" They sledded him down, x-rayed, he was fine.

A couple of weeks later, the same thing happened, and his dad said, "Oh, get up, you're okay." He skied down this time, and after eventually getting an x-ray (the next day), you guessed it, his leg WAS broken the second time.
post #24 of 59
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post
Except maybe actually diagnose what's wrong with her, do an X-ray, stabilize the injury, and recommend proper follow-up treatment.

But who wants to do all that boring doctor crap when you were an ER nurse. It's only your child.

At least you plan to take her to a doctor eventually.
There's really no need to be an A$$. :

She didn't post to ask your opinion about whether or not to take her kid to the doctor. Us moms (ER nurses or not) generally have a pretty good sense of how seriously our kids are hurt. Little people tend to get hurt all the time, and you have to use your best judgment re: the *do I take them to the hospital or not* question. 7yo and an actual bone break? Believe me, Marge would know or at the very least, suspect.

Now, she did post because she was worried that falling hard at the end of the season might impact her daughter's enjoyment of skiing. Which, as a parent, is a legitimate worry. I say, focus on all the good times you had this year. Look at pictures of yourselves having fun, reminisce over the summer. By the time it's ski season again, she'll remember the fun things, and those only. Maybe she'll even wear her end-of-season fall like a badge of honor.

And ignore the know-it-all, perfect skier/perfect parent types. They occasionally feel the need to pick on us mommies. . . Shoo, mean people! Go back and start another thread complaining about snowboarders or something. :
post #25 of 59
I apologize for posting here.
post #26 of 59
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There's really no need to be an A$$. :

She didn't post to ask your opinion about whether or not to take her kid to the doctor. Us moms (ER nurses or not) generally have a pretty good sense of how seriously our kids are hurt.
Come on. How did you think this thread would turn out? I was half way through her initial post, and I already knew what was coming! The same kind of responses that we got from babies in backpacks, old men suing little kids and race challenges.
post #27 of 59
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I agree with Marge, one day extra is not going to hurt to get a proper diagnoses by an specialist that will be treating your kid at home.
Our ski patrol advisor, an Orthopedic Surgeon has told us many times, that Orthopedic emergencies are rare. You know them when you see them, compromised circulation, open fractures etc. No reason to waste time and money in the emergency room in most cases, ice it and go to the orthopod in the next few days.
post #28 of 59
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Come on. How did you think this thread would turn out? I was half way through her initial post, and I already knew what was coming! The same kind of responses that we got from babies in backpacks, old men suing little kids and race challenges.
I am definitely not surprised, as a couple of years ago on epic I was the target of a *bad ski parenting* attack. (Mostly by some non-parents who had no idea what they were talking about, no real interest in my kid's welfare, and a whole lot of desire to stir a stinky pot full of doo-doo.) Doesn't mean I have to accept it as part of the game and move on, though. I don't think it's right, and honestly I think it's less than entertaining. Funny, good humored jibes are one thing. This did not strike me as good humored. At all.

It's another thing entirely to discuss old men suing little kids and scary sightings of babies in backpacks. Those are *generic* topics, not directly connected to the life of someone in our community, someone who has asked for support. In this case, also someone who is clearly concerned with her child's well being. And who asked for ideas in the parenting-focused forum, where I would assume she thought she would find some like-minded (or at least understanding) people.

It's not as if the guy suing the kid joined epic to ask advice along the lines of, "I'm really worried. I had a collision with a kid. I think I am quite hurt and my insurance company wanted me to recoup costs through a lawsuit. What should I do? I think I have to sue the kid, but I know it sounds really bad." I'd like to think we might have been a bit kinder to the fellow, had he actually been part of our little group, and asked for our advice.

This member of our community asked for support, and essentially several people said. . . Well, you're a crappy parent, because you didn't take your kid to the doctor. Doesn't matter what your instincts are, or that you know your daughter and we don't. We know best. WE [might have] taken OUR kids to the doctor. And on the basis of that, your parenting skills suck. Oh, and by the way, even though you're an ER nurse, too, that doesn't matter. Because doctors always know better, and nurses are poor substitutes. And by the way, did we tell you that you're a bad mommy?

IMHO, that's an unwarranted attack. Straight up. And other boards I go to do not tolerate that sort of behavior. It's not generally an *official* thing, but other community members generally call *A$$hole* or *Holier than Thou* when they see it. And beat the offenders into embarrassment or submission. I mean, have at your *generic* opinions about goings on in the world all day, but don't attack actual people who are honestly looking for support/advice/ideas. It's childish, unnecessary, and really makes me wonder what some online acquaintances must be like in the real world.

In the real world, hearing this story and finding it not to your liking, you might say: "Have you been to the doctor yet? I know a couple of people who thought they were fine after a ski accident and weren't. You might want to get an X-ray to be sure." In other words, being helpful, while maybe implying a little criticism or concern for the situation.

But I seriously doubt most of us would think it appropriate to offer:
"Um, when do you plan on taking her to the doctor?" (At least with the sarcasm implied by the *Um.* I may be wrong, but I am reading dripping sarcasm here.)
"But who wants to do all that boring doctor crap when you were an ER nurse. It's only your child."
"I wish I had X-ray vision like you do."

Don't tell me the people who posted those things don't know the difference between combining actual assistance with gentle constructive criticism and being inflammatory and unkind. The former sometimes gets you somewhere, in terms of understanding people's motivations and getting them to try what you're suggesting. The latter? Generally gets you nothing, aside from an angry mob.

And yes, as I said before, I expected it. I am not surprised to see it. But that kind of behavior never fails to anger me, and it often makes me question whether I am suited to the online world, rather than the more polite, caring place I have made for myself away from the blue glow of my computer screen.
post #29 of 59
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Thanks guys/girls. I took her to the PCP (couldn't get into the sports med doc until the 21st) this morning and he did x-rays. Didn't see anything specific but said the radiologist would read them this afternoon and let me know if he saw anything different. Looks like just a bad strain (small efffusion with it). He told me ice, rest, and motrin for the next couple of weeks and if no significant improvement to bring her back then.

Oh....and she had an ear infection (which we're just going to watch for a day or two) and then threw up in radiology. : She's upstairs watching a movie now.

Thanks for the support!! She was already drooling over the pics in the ski magazine in the waiting room so looks like no real harm done.
post #30 of 59
Classic that she threw up in radiology. : Did she hit anybody with her vomit?

I have been reading this thread and I like your approach Marge. I also like Newfy and Moll's posts.

As you are undoubtedly aware, new paradigm in ear infections: tylenol or other analgesic and no antibiotics unless very severe. Mostly viral with occ secondary bacterial infection.

Keep her positive in regards to her skiing and doing bumps next year!
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