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post #91 of 198
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
It's even inbounds! You don't know nothing. It's called Southback and Northback. Get a trail map.
Inbounds Backcountry? What will they think of next?
post #92 of 198
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
Inbounds Backcountry? What will they think of next?
Stevens Pass:
post #93 of 198
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Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
That's what I thought. Hey once you're done with the 12-step Gapeaholics program, in another 200 steps or so you might be halfway to some decent tracks! hee hee hee... "Gaperman! Able to leap tall cappuccino machines in a single bound! (fat free milk please!)" HAHAHAHAHAHA! I think I just tinkled myself...

splitter, maggot & finndog you guys freakin crack me up! I'm getting so much comedic value out of this thread I hope it never ends...

The guys above, CT, USC, Justin and just about everybody else gets it. None of this matters. Run what ya' brung. Sometimes the guys (and gals) who were loving the deep midwinter can't afford to get the progressors once the snow turns to boilerplate but aren't ready to hang 'em up just yet...
You really think your infantile babble that you think is so clever, even remotely bothers me? It is like a retarded kid making a bunch of embarassing noises. You just consider their condition, have some compassion and cut them some slack. :
post #94 of 198
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Originally Posted by splitter View Post
Well, thank god Crystal's marketing department is helping us all understand what backcountry is.

And disagreeing with patrolled and controlled definitely makes me look like the idiot.

If it's patrolled, controlled, and lift accessed, can you please explain to this enormous idiot how it's backcountry?

Always falling for your posts .

Oh, and some smileez since that makes everything

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Here ya go smartass!
http://www.skicrystal.com/_IMAGES/Ga...ilverBasin.JPG

Or this is chair served inbounds right in the middle of the area, while you're hikin', I'm skiin'!

http://www.skicrystal.com/_IMAGES/Ga...rtHumphrey.jpg

or a short hike:

http://www.skicrystal.com/_IMAGES/Ga...k_BraedenT.JPG

I told ya you were ignorant!

Of course, I never ski any of this terrain: and when i do I am in a snowplow with my buttcheeks scrunched up on my 165 slaloms: Right!!!!
post #95 of 198
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
Inbounds Backcountry? What will they think of next?
Backcountry with moguls! Check out Ahole's pix! I think groomed backcountry is the next thing.
post #96 of 198
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Stevens Pass:
Ahh yes that crazy place where the inbounds terrain is actually open rather than on some sort of mysterious wind/visibility hold, and where the backcountry is always open, not just every once in a while.

Face it atomicman; our terrain is better, our snow is better (and we get more of it), our night skiing is better, our management doesn't suck ass, our passes are cheaper, and hell EVEN OUR GROOMING IS BETTER. The only thing you guys have is larger acreage but if C6 and REX are closed (which is not that uncommon) you guys are pretty much on par with ski acres.
post #97 of 198
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Here ya go smartass!
http://www.skicrystal.com/_IMAGES/Ga...ilverBasin.JPG

Or this is chair served inbounds right in the middle of the area, while you're hikin', I'm skiin'!

http://www.skicrystal.com/_IMAGES/Ga...rtHumphrey.jpg

or a short hike:

http://www.skicrystal.com/_IMAGES/Ga...k_BraedenT.JPG

I told ya you were ignorant!

Of course, I never ski any of this terrain and when i do I am in a snowplow with my buttcheeks scrunched up on my 165 slaloms: Right!!!!
OK Atomicman...there's no reason to go about calling anyone ignorant or whatever. True "backcountry" is defined as completely un-controlled and non-patrolled and that falls outside of a resorts permit boundary. Sure Crystal calls their hike-to terrain Southback, Northback, etc. and you should probably still ski it with the appropriate avy gear, but it's not true backcountry.

I've been at Crystal, and I've hiked the King. And when I got to the top, there was a patroller standing there and I chatted with him a bit about the snow conditions. If it were true backcountry, there wouldn't be a patroller standing at the top. It's just in-bounds hike-to terrain. Although it is really fun terrain and I'd love to go back and ski it again someday.

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Originally Posted by Atomicman
Crystal has a marketing department?:
Also, Crystal does have a marketing department. Good folks.
post #98 of 198
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Hiking out to untracked is no more MY Holy grail of skiing, then making perfect clean carves on groomers!

There fixed it for you.

Untracked is the holy grail of skiing for most regular skiers. That is why most ski films show mostly powder skiing and almost no "perfect clean carves on groomers"!

If all I got to ski on was groomers I'd quit skiing......if all got to ski on was untracked I'd be in heaven:

I ski mostly inbounds and I rarely ski groomers unless I am cutting across them to get somewhere interesting.
post #99 of 198
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
You just consider their condition, have some compassion and cut them some slack. :
Hey I tried, but when you drooled on this thread I had to do SoMeThInG!:

I'm trying to get your "super awesome award" made but the trophy company says they can't get the figurine's head up his own arse... Hey call Warren Miller, tell him to get ready for first chair- we're gonna RAIL those groomers! WHOOOOO! Then to some of that inbounds BC! BOOYAH!
post #100 of 198
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Backcountry with moguls! Check out Ahole's pix! I think groomed backcountry is the next thing.
Ah, the pic with the bowl with bumps is in bounds: with a chair coming up the back. Hello?
post #101 of 198
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
OK Atomicman...there's no reason to go about calling anyone ignorant or whatever. True "backcountry" is defined as completely un-controlled and non-patrolled and that falls outside of a resorts permit boundary. Sure Crystal calls their hike-to terrain Southback, Northback, etc. and you should probably still ski it with the appropriate avy gear, but it's not true backcountry.

I've been at Crystal, and I've hiked the King. And when I got to the top, there was a patroller standing there and I chatted with him a bit about the snow conditions. If it were true backcountry, there wouldn't be a patroller standing at the top. It's just in-bounds hike-to terrain. Although it is really fun terrain and I'd love to go back and ski it again someday.



Also, Crystal does have a marketing department. Good folks.
Tyrone, as far as I am concerned your a reasonable indidvudal and this conversation or whatever it is, is in no way directed towards you!
post #102 of 198
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
Ahh yes that crazy place where the inbounds terrain is actually open rather than on some sort of mysterious wind/visibility hold, and where the backcountry is always open, not just every once in a while.

Face it atomicman; our terrain is better, our snow is better (and we get more of it), our night skiing is better, our management doesn't suck ass, our passes are cheaper, and hell EVEN OUR GROOMING IS BETTER. The only thing you guys have is larger acreage but if C6 and REX are closed (which is not that uncommon) you guys are pretty much on par with ski acres.
You ignored the fact that more times then not this season you couldn't even get to the mountain! And apparantly you have not skied Northway!

Everyone knows Stevens sucks. it's on par with ski Acres with all lifts open! I have probably skied the miserable place more then you have!
post #103 of 198
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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post

I ski mostly inbounds and I rarely ski groomers unless I am cutting across them to get somewhere interesting.
Mr TC thanks you for dragging him around to the fun stuff !
post #104 of 198
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Everyone knows Stevens sucks. ...I have probably skied the miserable place more then you have!
The lack of a smiley is revealing. Or perhaps it was merely an accidental omission?
post #105 of 198
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
You ignored the fact that more times then not this season you couldn't even get to the mountain!
Ahh the curses of getting too much snow. Although being closed 5 or so days is hardly more times than not
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Everyone knows Stevens sucks.
Just like everyone here seems to know you're a gaper who can't ski worth ****. If everyone "knows it", it must be true.
post #106 of 198
One of these days, really, I'm going to buy a pair of nordic jumping skis, mount them with alpines and show up at any western resort on a pow day and be like; "What?"
post #107 of 198
Thread Starter 
If you constantly access loose snow, ski well, and have a quiver of one, a big ski works.

Otherwise, better tools are available.

To me, the Hummer on pavement analogy is fully apt.

Too many people I see on fat skis don't ski well, and are obviously not BC trekkers. They just love the look.

Fine for them (who cares - right?). They'll just flail away.

I think fatties have been over-hyped, and are vastly over-sold to people who'll never use them for their intended purpose.
post #108 of 198
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
One of these days, really, I'm going to buy a pair of nordic jumping skis, mount them with alpines and show up at any western resort on a pow day and be like; "What?"
Pretty soon, I'll have a TR while using the below (yah...those) and a buddy of mine might have just picked up some jumping skis. full report on the carnage to come...

post #109 of 198
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
Ahh the curses of getting too much snow. Although being closed 5 or so days is hardly more times than not


Just like everyone here seems to know you're a gaper who can't ski worth ****. If everyone "knows it", it must be true.
Jeez, I already agreed i can't ski worth ***** don't rub it in!:
post #110 of 198
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato View Post
I think fatties have been over-hyped, and are vastly over-sold to people who'll never use them for their intended purpose.
'09 skis are all the hype now.

Next year you're going to see those same people on some form of rocker/RC/RSC ski.

And you thought it was bad seeing all the fatties trying to arc the groomers.
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post #111 of 198
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
Pretty soon, I'll have a TR while using the below (yah...those) and a buddy of mine might have just picked up some jumping skis. full report on the carnage to come...

Is the KW long-board day on the horizon? (living in Japan sucks in the spring. I miss KW springs more than I miss februaries.)
post #112 of 198
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Ah, the pic with the bowl with bumps is in bounds: with a chair coming up the back. Hello?
Hello! : Sorry, I lost my trail map. The terrain in the foreground looks nice, though I can't see that much of it from that angle. That bumped up face looks nice. Does North and South back ever get bumped up? I'm aware that Crystal is a great place to ski. It must be awesome if you can argue for others to ski there instead of the horrible crappy other hills in your area. Daring the World Wide Web to come and try to track out your paradise! Wow.

Back on topic. I switched to wide skis, 70mm waist this year after ten years on 60mm. When I went cat skiing, I used 55mm, but that was over ten years ago. I like the wider skis, but haven't run them off piste yet. I bet they will do great in powder after so many years on the hypercarvers. But the carvers were awesome in deep snow compared to the old school telemark skis I was using before that and even better than the K2 KVC, my last fixed heel ride.
post #113 of 198
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
Is the KW long-board day on the horizon? (living in Japan sucks in the spring. I miss KW springs more than I miss februaries.)
yes...coming soon.
post #114 of 198
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
'09 skis are all the hype now.

Next year you're going to see those same people on some form of rocker/RC/RSC ski.

And you thought it was bad seeing all the fatties trying to arc the groomers.
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It wouldn't matter much, except it lowers the bar.

The marketing machine is always in high gear, hyping the "next great thing". Unless you feel your gear is obselete, there's no motivation to buy.

Fatties, rockers, et al, are inspired innovations...until some marketing guru gets his hands on them, and convinces the plebes that without them, they're inept.

Specialized tools then get targeted to every reader, or tourist who walks in the door, lowering the overall level of performance.

It's like placing professional golf clubs in the hands of a duffer. Hopeless.

Many of the people I see here in CO every weekend, stuggling on fatties, would ski vastly better on skis suited to their level, and purpose.
post #115 of 198
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
miserable place
Posaune and cloudpeak sharing some April misery this AM...






And the fact that my skiing utterly sucked today had nothing to do with my fat skis or backpack -- I achieved that through pure skill & could have delivered similar astounding results on any skis
post #116 of 198
I have actually been suprised here in CO I don't see as many people as I would expect on fatter skis. I see a good number of mid fats under 90mm. But most of the folks I see at resorts are not on bigger skis, its seemed to be more a smaller group, patrolers and pow seeker.

I run on volkl mantras at Vail as my primary ski. I had a pair of skinny salomons but I couldnt go back after I fell in love with the mantra. I can do bumps on it, it is the most stable ski I have ever been on in groomed terrain, and my preference is seeking out the freshies and deeper conditions in outer mongolia so it suits me well. I'm happy.

I also wear a backpack, no avy gear. It holds a hydration pack for me and my girl and two pb sandwiches and some powdered soup mix since I am a cheap bastard and vail is expensive.
post #117 of 198
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Originally Posted by PowderChef View Post
I have actually been suprised here in CO I don't see as many people as I would expect on fatter skis. I see a good number of mid fats under 90mm. But most of the folks I see at resorts are not on bigger skis, its seemed to be more a smaller group, patrolers and pow seeker.

I run on volkl mantras at Vail as my primary ski. I had a pair of skinny salomons but I couldnt go back after I fell in love with the mantra. I can do bumps on it, it is the most stable ski I have ever been on in groomed terrain, and my preference is seeking out the freshies and deeper conditions in outer mongolia so it suits me well. I'm happy.

I also wear a backpack, no avy gear. It holds a hydration pack for me and my girl and two pb sandwiches and some powdered soup mix since I am a cheap bastard and vail is expensive.
The Mantra is the most stable ski you have ever skied on in groomed terrain? You really just said that?

So out of curosity, what other skis have you skied on on groomed terrain?
post #118 of 198
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato View Post
Too many people I see on fat skis don't ski well, and are obviously not BC trekkers. They just love the look.

Fine for them (who cares - right?). They'll just flail away.
On the evidence of this thread, I'd say quite a few people apparently do care.
post #119 of 198
Captain & co., do any of you guys think that the percentage of people thrashing on fat skis is any greater than the percentage of people thrashing on narrower skis? If so, please explain. If not, why pick on people on fat skis vs people thrashing in general? Do you really believe a narrower ski is a better learning tool for newbs - or are you just stuck on making people "walk 4 miles through the snow barefoot"?

Personally, I'm a fatter ski fan for most uses in my neck of the woods (as many here know). The skinniest skis I have these days are 105 at the waist. And I'm not ashamed to admit that I appreciate the fact that their general ease of use makes my life easier & often compensates for my rather middle of the road skills. Out of nearly 60 ski days this year, I can honestly say that there have only been about three where I've wished for a narrower ski (say 95 or so). And watching lots of people in lots of lessons, I don't understand why more instructors and students are not on 90+ skis.

I simply do not understand the antipathy some on this board show toward fatter skis. There's a reason, actually several reasons, they are becoming more and more popular. Despite natural friction in the channel - rather than the marketing/channel push some people are claiming. Why are you guys so huffy and threatened?
post #120 of 198
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato View Post
If you constantly access loose snow, ski well, and have a quiver of one, a big ski works.

Otherwise, better tools are available.

To me, the Hummer on pavement analogy is fully apt.

Too many people I see on fat skis don't ski well, and are obviously not BC trekkers. They just love the look.

Fine for them (who cares - right?). They'll just flail away.

I think fatties have been over-hyped, and are vastly over-sold to people who'll never use them for their intended purpose.
I agree except for the "who cares." It wouldnt' bother me if it weren't for the fact that flailing fat skiers (like flailing snowboarders) have a seriously negative and large impact on all types of snow. If they aren't flattening the powder and crud they are polishing the hardpack. A Hummer on pavement has a much worse impact than a skinny lighter vehicle that is driven well.
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