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post #61 of 198
4/7/08 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
I am relaxed. YOUR condescending attitude has permeated throughout this entire thread. Totally typical of a crystal skier.
Touche'
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post #62 of 198
4/7/08 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Yep!
Patrolled doesn't = backcountry

Controlled doesn't = backcountry

Lift served doesn't = backcountry.

Are you the guy who originally came up with 'packed powder'?
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post #63 of 198
4/7/08 at 10:29am
When I first got my 200cm iggy FFFs mounted up http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...=EXTROVERT ED post #348, all the way on the right, I decided to take them out for a few runs, just try them out, even though it hadn't snowed in a few days, and the terrain (moonlight basin) was not quite wide open enough for these things to excel. People looked at me like I was crazy, but its all good, I learned how they handle on hardpack (adequately) so that when I use them on a pow day, I'll know what to expect when I find some crust.

Earlier this year, I was skiing at Aspen mountain on a 2ft bluebird pow day, with a very soft base underneath, so I was on my 136mm comi kazis. I'm riding up the lift behind these two guys on outlaws, who start heckling a couple skiers skiing under the lift (who happen to be sponsored) that its EASY to "just jump off stuff and straightline everything" and that losers on fat skis track up all the snow. When I got off the lift, they started heckling me for my ski choice, saying that all "you guys" do is straightline and track up all the pow. I started to explain to them that floating on top, and straightlining both track up the snow less, than their little mogul forming pow 8 turns, but they just wanted to argue.

So as I was buckling up my boots, I started calling them names. I started making fun of their manhood and other low blows. Its not that I was angry, but I wanted to get them angry/hurt enough that they would be motivated to follow me. By he time I buckled my boots and found a good song on my ipod, they were skating towards me and threatening to beat me up. So I told them to keep up, and we could finish this at the lift. I looked over my shoulder when I was halfway down the lift, and they were still floundering at the top, doing their best to try and open it up and catch me.

The point of the story isn't that fat skis are better, its that, well, I guess there isn't really a point other than its a funny story, I have too much time on my hands, and oh yea PEOPLE THAT SKI SKINNY SKIS ON POW DAYS ARE HORRIBLE EVIL PEOPLE.
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post #64 of 198
4/7/08 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by splitter View Post
Patrolled doesn't = backcountry

Controlled doesn't = backcountry

Lift served doesn't = backcountry.

Are you the guy who originally came up with 'packed powder'?
Yeah, that's me:

You are really showing your ignorance.

Apparantly you have never been to Crystal.

There is uncontrolled, unpatrolled backcountry and there is controlled and patrolled backcountry!

Yeah, that's why it is called North backcountry and South backcountry at Crystal. And No! I can't take credit for those monikers!
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post #65 of 198
4/7/08 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Yeah, that's me:

You are really showing your ignorance.

Apparantly you have never been to Crystal.

There is uncontrolled, unpatrolled backcountry and there is controlled and patrolled backcountry!

Yeah, that's why it is called North backcountry and South backcountry at Crystal. And No! I can't take credit for those monikers!
Well, thank god Crystal's marketing department is helping us all understand what backcountry is.

And disagreeing with patrolled and controlled definitely makes me look like the idiot.

If it's patrolled, controlled, and lift accessed, can you please explain to this enormous idiot how it's backcountry?

Always falling for your posts .

Oh, and some smileez since that makes everything

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post #66 of 198
4/7/08 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
PhilT: You guys that hike for 30 minutes to get 30 turns on you 800 vertical feet, think you are that cool?..... Hiking out to untracked is no more a Holy grail of skiing, then making perfect clean carves on groomers!
I'm still in agreement with my previous observations that Atomicman is a gaper. This very well may be the first paragraph in the USGA (United Skiing Gapers Association) handbook... Because, you know, they make all those awesome skiing movies on the courderoy.

I want a gaper-alert smiley face on this site, seriously...

Personally I'm glad some aren't fond of hiking for lines, it leaves more snow for those of us down for some leg-burnage! You can't beat beat making your own trails- that's why they call it "The UN-BEATEN path"!

Here comes the ... ... :
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post #67 of 198
4/7/08 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
When I first got my 200cm iggy FFFs mounted up http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...=EXTROVERT ED post #348, all the way on the right, I decided to take them out for a few runs, just try them out, even though it hadn't snowed in a few days, and the terrain (moonlight basin) was not quite wide open enough for these things to excel. People looked at me like I was crazy, but its all good, I learned how they handle on hardpack (adequately) so that when I use them on a pow day, I'll know what to expect when I find some crust.

Earlier this year, I was skiing at Aspen mountain on a 2ft bluebird pow day, with a very soft base underneath, so I was on my 136mm comi kazis. I'm riding up the lift behind these two guys on outlaws, who start heckling a couple skiers skiing under the lift (who happen to be sponsored) that its EASY to "just jump off stuff and straightline everything" and that losers on fat skis track up all the snow. When I got off the lift, they started heckling me for my ski choice, saying that all "you guys" do is straightline and track up all the pow. I started to explain to them that floating on top, and straightlining both track up the snow less, than their little mogul forming pow 8 turns, but they just wanted to argue.

So as I was buckling up my boots, I started calling them names. I started making fun of their manhood and other low blows. Its not that I was angry, but I wanted to get them angry/hurt enough that they would be motivated to follow me. By he time I buckled my boots and found a good song on my ipod, they were skating towards me and threatening to beat me up. So I told them to keep up, and we could finish this at the lift. I looked over my shoulder when I was halfway down the lift, and they were still floundering at the top, doing their best to try and open it up and catch me.

The point of the story isn't that fat skis are better, its that, well, I guess there isn't really a point other than its a funny story, I have too much time on my hands, and oh yea PEOPLE THAT SKI SKINNY SKIS ON POW DAYS ARE HORRIBLE EVIL PEOPLE.
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post #68 of 198
4/7/08 at 11:15am
wow! militant skier thugs? that;s crazy!

i don;t care what other people are skiing on. and those guys who have the fat skis, avi gear and a smile so wide they can;t be contained i am jealous you can get to the good stuff!
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post #69 of 198
4/7/08 at 11:15am
Did I mistakenly wander into a TGR thread?
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post #70 of 198
4/7/08 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by dauwhe View Post
Did I mistakenly wander into a TGR thread?
No, seems the opposite of TGR. Kind of like anti-matter v. matter; just don't let the two touch or the whole world will explode. Or, er, something...
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post #71 of 198
4/7/08 at 11:50am
Dunno, but I find that the waist of my "everyday" skis just keeps growing, now I am on 88mm (MRs) and they carve the groomers just fine. I guess the ski technology is just getting better and better allowing you to have your cake on non-poweder days and eat it too (on deep days). Backpacks- I do carry a pack because my jacket pockets are too small for the stuff and also if I ski with my kids they tend to need more stuff than I can carry. A bonus is that if I want to hike up a ridge somewhere, I can strap my skis to the pack and hike in much more comfort and stability than when I am carrying my skis on my shoulders. Do I feel like a gaper with all this gear- yeah, sometimes I do, but I hope that when I ski, no one actually thinks that I am a gaper... ;-)
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post #72 of 198
4/7/08 at 12:28pm
I love these "you're not hardcore enough to wear this or that" threads and OTOH "I'm hardcore old school because I ski skinny skis, in my leather jacket with blue jeans on with my feet together while smoking a cigarette"

Fat skis are awesome ... I love em!
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post #73 of 198
4/7/08 at 12:29pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bklyn View Post
These are the type of threads that make this site look bad.
It's usually just some of the posters - but only a few.
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post #74 of 198
4/7/08 at 12:31pm
Funny thread!

Makes me glad that I have a quiver. If I only could have 1 ski, it would be something like an iM88/888 though. I like to ski groomers, especially on hard-snow days in the spring, and wide skis just don't cut it. Watea 94's are passable, but not really the right tool for the job. Anything wider pretty much sucks on groomers. Legend Pro's are horrible, unless I like to "park and ride" and ski huge arcs. So are Gotamas. You can't ski 'em like a race ski. Having at least 2 pair of skis means that I can go up and ski hard snow, and have just as good of a time as skiing wide skis on a deep-snow day. Perfect groomers on race or race-like skis are thrilling. Sliding around on unpredictable fatties on groomers, not so much fun.

To be honest, I have yet to see anyone, even some very good skiers that I know (ex-racers, very good big-mountain skiers) carving tight, dynamic arc-to-arc turns, on 30m radius, 100mm underfoot, 185-190cm big-mountain skis. They may be carving an arc, but they are big, lazy, non-dynamic turns. These skiers know how to carve, but the skis just aren't designed for groomer use. Mainly though, those guys aren't there to ski groomers, so who cares. Tighter turn radius skis like the Sandstorm and Enforcer make carving more aggressively possible, but still not really a "carver".

Buying wide skis (especially if you only have 1 pair) makes a ton of sense if new snow (especially heavy or windpacked) is what you ski all of the time, or most of the time, and couldn't care less about groomer performance. It makes little sense if you live in an area that gets little fresh snow, or aren't skilled enough to make them work, or want a versatile, do-everything wide. Just as buying a ski wider than 80mm makes little sense if you ski exclusively in Minnesota.

Skiers should just buy what works for their local conditions, or buy 2 pair and have their bases covered. Being trendy (whatever that trend may be) is more or less silly, and won't make you ski better. Kind of like buying a 6" travel mountain bike that weighs 34lbs to ride the typical XC trail. Unless you are going big and need the travel and durability, why put up with the weight? Who wants to turn a 2.5 hour ride into a 3 hour ride by adding 10lbs to the bike?
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post #75 of 198
4/7/08 at 12:41pm
how many people have only an SUV as their daily driver? a econobox( a 2 car quiver?) would be the best tool for daily driving and SUV for long trips but most just drive the SUV everywhere and get used to it and put up with it;s shortcomings.....
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post #76 of 198
4/7/08 at 12:43pm
Ummm...

If you guys are this combative when there's still snow on the ground, it's gonna be a long summer.
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post #77 of 198
4/7/08 at 1:04pm
What is funny is that it has reached a point that now you can hear a skier say........" I need my fatties before I can ski that".


Any ski on my boot is all I need, I don't need fatties to ski powder, I sink deep and make powder "8"s on my skinny ones just fine. :::
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post #78 of 198
4/7/08 at 1:04pm
Thread Starter 
"One pair of fats is all I need - and I can ski anything". You may be right.

If you say so, you're probably good enough to make 'em work everywhere.

But....

Regardless of how "good" you are, laws of physics still apply. Wide skis on groomers are more difficult to tip on edge, and put more pressure on the knee joint (as noted by BushwackerinPA). That may not matter to you, but it matters to some.

Most people here are decent skiers, which isn't the reason for the thread.

The point is: the gullible wannabe's who slurp-up every offering in ads and ski flicks. They go buy some righteous fatties, and look like flamingos on ice trying to control them down the groomers.

"Hard", without the "core".

You see hordes of them, every weekend here in CO.
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post #79 of 198
4/7/08 at 1:14pm
Yesterday I switched skis 3 times... They all worked just fine.
JF
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post #80 of 198
4/7/08 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by Farmguy View Post
What is funny is that it has reached a point that now you can hear a skier say........" I need my 66mm skinny boards before I can ski the groomers".


Any ski on my boot is all I need, I don't need no stinkin' fatties to ski powder, I sink deep and make powder "8"s on my skinny ones just fine. I work so much harder and can't ski as fast and if the cover isn't so good in the trees I get core shots but :::
Fixed them!
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post #81 of 198
4/7/08 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
Funny thread!

Makes me glad that I have a quiver. If I only could have 1 ski, it would be something like an iM88/888 though. I like to ski groomers, especially on hard-snow days in the spring, and wide skis just don't cut it. Watea 94's are passable, but not really the right tool for the job. Anything wider pretty much sucks on groomers. Legend Pro's are horrible, unless I like to "park and ride" and ski huge arcs. So are Gotamas. You can't ski 'em like a race ski. Having at least 2 pair of skis means that I can go up and ski hard snow, and have just as good of a time as skiing wide skis on a deep-snow day. Perfect groomers on race or race-like skis are thrilling. Sliding around on unpredictable fatties on groomers, not so much fun.

To be honest, I have yet to see anyone, even some very good skiers that I know (ex-racers, very good big-mountain skiers) carving tight, dynamic arc-to-arc turns, on 30m radius, 100mm underfoot, 185-190cm big-mountain skis. They may be carving an arc, but they are big, lazy, non-dynamic turns. These skiers know how to carve, but the skis just aren't designed for groomer use. Mainly though, those guys aren't there to ski groomers, so who cares. Tighter turn radius skis like the Sandstorm and Enforcer make carving more aggressively possible, but still not really a "carver".

Buying wide skis (especially if you only have 1 pair) makes a ton of sense if new snow (especially heavy or windpacked) is what you ski all of the time, or most of the time, and couldn't care less about groomer performance. It makes little sense if you live in an area that gets little fresh snow, or aren't skilled enough to make them work, or want a versatile, do-everything wide. Just as buying a ski wider than 80mm makes little sense if you ski exclusively in Minnesota.

Skiers should just buy what works for their local conditions, or buy 2 pair and have their bases covered. Being trendy (whatever that trend may be) is more or less silly, and won't make you ski better. Kind of like buying a 6" travel mountain bike that weighs 34lbs to ride the typical XC trail. Unless you are going big and need the travel and durability, why put up with the weight? Who wants to turn a 2.5 hour ride into a 3 hour ride by adding 10lbs to the bike?
Well said!
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post #82 of 198
4/7/08 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
I'm still in agreement with my previous observations that Atomicman is a gaper. This very well may be the first paragraph in the USGA (United Skiing Gapers Association) handbook... Because, you know, they make all those awesome skiing movies on the courderoy.

I want a gaper-alert smiley face on this site, seriously...

Personally I'm glad some aren't fond of hiking for lines, it leaves more snow for those of us down for some leg-burnage! You can't beat beat making your own trails- that's why they call it "The UN-BEATEN path"!

Here comes the ... ... :
Namecalling is the default when you have nothing of substance to add!
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post #83 of 198
4/7/08 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by splitter View Post
Well, thank god Crystal's marketing department is helping us all understand what backcountry is.

And disagreeing with patrolled and controlled definitely makes me look like the idiot.

If it's patrolled, controlled, and lift accessed, can you please explain to this enormous idiot how it's backcountry?

Always falling for your posts .

Oh, and some smileez since that makes everything

:
Crystal has a marketing department?:

Since you have never skied there you have no idea what you are talking about. Ignorant means without knowledge. Also known as Splitter

Southback (called this by everyone who ever has and still does ski there) is controlled and patrolled with no lift.

Northback (called this by everyone who ever has and still does ski there) is controlled and patrolled and partially lift served.

Then there is additional terrain completley outside the ski are boundaries that is neither controlled or patrolled.

You have stuck your 350mm bootsole in your mouth again!
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post #84 of 198
4/7/08 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by dauwhe View Post
Why are some people bothered by skiers with backpacks? Perhaps they're just carrying some water and some spare clothing. Perhaps they're carrying some water and spare clothing for their wife. Or maybe they just don't go anywhere without their teddy bear, and it doesn't fit in their pockets!

I'm also curious why the ability of the skier carrying the backpack matters. As long as they can get on and off the lifts, it doesn't hurt anyone...

Dave
I'm glad someone got this figured out. I wear a backpack to carry few liters of water, snacks, some odds and ends (including a small camera for photo ops), and have plenty of space for an extra layer, goggles, gloves, whatever. If I'm skiing by myself for a few hours, I leave it in the car because I know I won't need it. If I'm out all day with my wife, I ALWAYS have it. I can deal with temperature changes better than she can, so I'm always willing to hold stuff for her. That just means fewer trips back to the car or having her be uncomfortable (which means she's not having as much fun and that means I'm not going to have as much fun). I'm a lot more worried about practical things like being comfortable, being hydrated, and making sure I don't get my pack caught on a chair back than what some "expert" thinks of my "fashion" or what kind of skiing I'm out to do.

As for skis, if I could only have one pair, I'd take something a bit wider (90s). I don't care if I can carve perfect lines on a groomer. I want to be able to have fun in as many conditions as possible. I have M82s right now and they (I) suck in powder. I still enjoy getting into powder where I can, but it's a LOT of work because my tips dive and I just sink. I'd rather smear and skid on groomers so that I can really enjoy the powder shots when I find them. Luckily I'm blessed enough to be able to afford a second pair of skis, so I've been demo'ing powder skis and taken them down groomers as well as through good powder. I CAN carve on most of them. It's extra work, though not as much work as it is to take my 82s through deep powder. I get down to the bottom of a groomer in a 115 wide ski and think "My 82s would have been better, but that was still fun."

And there's the key... who cares what someone else thinks or what someone else is using? Are you having fun? Good, enjoy it and don't worry about other folks and their gear.

As my wife likes to say: Shut up and :
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post #85 of 198
4/7/08 at 2:48pm
Why say what's already been so well put by PhilT and Tyrone? Just because YOU don't see powder doesn't mean it's not there, and many would rather suffer through a hard groomer and relish in the freshies if geographically you can expect them regularly and that's what you love. Simple as that. Some people can only afford one pair of skis and maybe the 80-90 range doesn't offer them the float they want.

This is just another thread hijacked by the histrionics of Atomicman, a.k.a. Gaperman... Just another chance for him to assert himself as a know it all with no clue. Do you hear yourself? Groomed terrain is the pinnacle of skiing? Dude, if you actually believe that it DEFINITELY makes you a gaper so I'm not calling names I'm assigning designation- let's call a spade a spade- and the first step to dealing with your problem is to admit it... We get it. You think you're awesome. CAN WE MOVE ON?
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post #86 of 198
4/7/08 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
Why say what's already been so well put by PhilT and Tyrone? Just because YOU don't see powder doesn't mean it's not there, and many would rather suffer through a hard groomer and relish in the freshies if geographically you can expect them regularly and that's what you love. Simple as that. Some people can only afford one pair of skis and maybe the 80-90 range doesn't offer them the float they want.

This is just another thread hijacked by the histrionics of Atomicman, a.k.a. Gaperman... Just another chance for him to assert himself as a know it all with no clue. Do you hear yourself? Groomed terrain is the pinnacle of skiing? Dude, if you actually believe that it DEFINITELY makes you a gaper so I'm not calling names I'm assigning designation- let's call a spade a spade- and the first step to dealing with your problem is to admit it... We get it. You think you're awesome. CAN WE MOVE ON?
Panties in a bunch, huh?
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post #87 of 198
4/7/08 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
...people go out to the mountains to slide around on snow and have a good time. Why care so much about what other people are sliding around on?
werd
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post #88 of 198
4/7/08 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
i got to ski a friends '08 183 Gotama yesterday (groomer day) back to back with my Supershape Speed.

All I can say is it was a very long awkward way to an edge. Also I was a bit baffled at how every liitle bump and imperfection in the snow surface seemd to be amplified through the ski compared to my SS speeds or Monsters which are much smoother, quiter and more energetic.

I could not imagine skiing on this ski on anything other then a POW day and would avoid the groomed like the plague. I had always heard how versatile this ski was and how well it skied the groomed and held an edge.

Bull!!!!!!

Now I am totally convinced that the skiers that sing the virutes of a 105mm waisted Pow ski to be good on groomed is just a ridiculous if i tried to convince them how good my Head i.SL Rd Race Stock slaloms are in 2 feet of POW!

With that said the Monster 88 kills the Gotama on groomed and comes somewhat close to skiing the Pow as well!
For me out West there is never a day where "I only ski groomers"

I think any ski can ski on groomers and any skier can look good on groomers.

I have not skied anyting under an 84 waist all year and that includes mostly skiing Gotamas.

They are a pow ski that can be skied on Groomers but they are a pow ski...
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post #89 of 198
4/7/08 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by splitter View Post
Patrolled and controlled lift served backcountry :?
It's even inbounds! You don't know nothing. It's called Southback and Northback. Get a trail map.
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post #90 of 198
4/7/08 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Panties in a bunch, huh?
That's what I thought. Hey once you're done with the 12-step Gapeaholics program, in another 200 steps or so you might be halfway to some decent tracks! hee hee hee... "Gaperman! Able to leap tall cappuccino machines in a single bound! (fat free milk please!)" HAHAHAHAHAHA! I think I just tinkled myself...

splitter, maggot & finndog you guys freakin crack me up! I'm getting so much comedic value out of this thread I hope it never ends...

The guys above, CT, USC, Justin and just about everybody else gets it. None of this matters. Run what ya' brung. Sometimes the guys (and gals) who were loving the deep midwinter can't afford to get the progressors once the snow turns to boilerplate but aren't ready to hang 'em up just yet...
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