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post #31 of 43
stiffer skis tend to not need to turn as much and like to be on edge. that could attribute to the "speed", along with the reasons you cited((fewer turns, more time in the fall line, etc.).

maybe the skis chatter less in the stiff position encouraging him to push them harder.

and then again, maybe it;s perception. he felt like he was skiing faster so maybe he was.
post #32 of 43
Tek,

Exactly, you can push them harder, hold your edge longer w/ALOT less chatter... It encourages you to push on them harder with great confidence..

In the off position I felt them to be alot looser underfoot w/significantly more chatter in the fall line for the hard conditions that day.. For me they seemed to steamroll in the on position like a knife through butter thus gaining more speed thru the turn..
post #33 of 43
yeah, i'd attribute skiing aggressively but with control as skiing faster and more importantly-more confident. those are good attributes for a ski to have.

this technology for changing the characteristics of the skis is very interesting.

i;ve been on my Salomon scream LTD on hard snow and it was no fun. no edge bite and trying to ski that way resulted in a not fun roller coaster ride.
post #34 of 43
It's a GREAT ski for hardpack, especially w/switch on.. My personal preference.. My brother was on AC4's and my friend was on AC30's, he is a former racer w/excellent technique.. I've skied w/him for over 20 yrs and we still push each other.. He was the one that noticed the increase in speed.. I've heard there have already been mechanical problems already, so only time will tell about the technology....
post #35 of 43
I found this on www.rei.com when looking at prices for TigerSharks:
http://www.rei.com/product/758449

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Gimmick central
By Max Power from Olympia, WA on 10/21/2007
Describe Yourself:Advanced, Competitive Athlete, Ski technician
Pros:Carving Ability
Cons:Expensive gimmick, Heavy
Best Usesownhill
Bottom Line:No, I would not recommend this to a friend
I'm a ski technician, and I see a lot skis come through my shop. This one has to be the most gimmicky thing ever.

Basically, there are little springs inside the ski that you can tighten and loosen with a lever. This supposedly gives the ski more (or less) flexibility, depending on the conditions.

Problem is: It's a burly, Volkl titanium core ski. There's no way that little spring is gonna change anything about this extremely rigid ski.

If you're looking for a rip-roaring downhill carver, this is not a bad ski. In fact, like most high-end Volkls it will carve up hardpack with ease. But don't expect the fancy gimmicks to make you ski better.
post #36 of 43
hey moe the worlds flat also!!!!
post #37 of 43
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Originally Posted by MoeLarryCheese View Post
I found this on www.rei.com when looking at prices for TigerSharks:
http://www.rei.com/product/758449

[0 of 1 customers found this review helpful]

Gimmick central
By Max Power from Olympia, WA on 10/21/2007
Describe Yourself:Advanced, Competitive Athlete, Ski technician
Pros:Carving Ability
Cons:Expensive gimmick, Heavy
Best Usesownhill
Bottom Line:No, I would not recommend this to a friend
I'm a ski technician, and I see a lot skis come through my shop. This one has to be the most gimmicky thing ever.

Basically, there are little springs inside the ski that you can tighten and loosen with a lever. This supposedly gives the ski more (or less) flexibility, depending on the conditions.

Problem is: It's a burly, Volkl titanium core ski. There's no way that little spring is gonna change anything about this extremely rigid ski.

If you're looking for a rip-roaring downhill carver, this is not a bad ski. In fact, like most high-end Volkls it will carve up hardpack with ease. But don't expect the fancy gimmicks to make you ski better.

there are skis for pu....s and skis for real skiers; the volkl is for real:needs speed, technical skis and good skier to ride them. period
post #38 of 43
Quote:
there are skis for pu....s and skis for real skiers; the volkl is for real:needs speed, technical skis and good skier to ride them. period
yes
post #39 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoeLarryCheese View Post
I found this on www.rei.com when looking at prices for TigerSharks:
http://www.rei.com/product/758449

[0 of 1 customers found this review helpful]

Gimmick central
By Max Power from Olympia, WA on 10/21/2007
Describe Yourself:Advanced, Competitive Athlete, Ski technician
Pros:Carving Ability
Cons:Expensive gimmick, Heavy
Best Usesownhill
Bottom Line:No, I would not recommend this to a friend
I'm a ski technician, and I see a lot skis come through my shop. This one has to be the most gimmicky thing ever.

Basically, there are little springs inside the ski that you can tighten and loosen with a lever. This supposedly gives the ski more (or less) flexibility, depending on the conditions.

Problem is: It's a burly, Volkl titanium core ski. There's no way that little spring is gonna change anything about this extremely rigid ski.
Ok, his description of "the most gimmicky thing ever" is ridiculous. He doesn't even know how they work. It's about as simple as it can get. The switch when "on" doesn't allow the rods space to move and thus they flex with the ski. The springs he talks about are only there to keep the rods from flopping around in their tubes. That's it.

Some people can tell the difference on between high pressure gas shocks/struts on their car and some can't.

The above "review" is why one needs to choose their ski shops carefully or at least look into what your being told at a shop.
post #40 of 43
Tog,

CONCUR!!!!

Don't forget, and by whom at the shop...
post #41 of 43
Thanks for all of the reviews! I joined this forum to see if I really wanted these skis. I will post a review up when I get to use mine
post #42 of 43
Here's a note I posted on a live thread - just got my "afternoon" all mountain ski which wound up being a Volkl Tigershark 12 w/Power switch 175.

Funny story -I actually asked for the TS 10's, but the guy at the shop assumed it was the 12 I'd want (stiffer). I was already out on them for day 1 and thought "Manm - Volkl makes one stiff ski. These TS10's are real stiff for short radius!" . I looked down after half a day and realized they were 12's!

They made me such a deal on them, could not bear to even consider taking them back (with a small credit I had in the store, I forked over about $390 USD for new '08!). First time on Volkl, first time on all-mtn thick waised ski and it was tonnes of fun. Real Crud Buster , no doubt (first days skiing has been cut up loose snow). Tough to get used to the thick waist and slower time edge to edge, but what a steady ski - reminds me of a Cadillac - not sporty, but steady and smooooth. Have yet to find the speed limit. The transition interval should be good for my skiing as I move to race skis - 79mm makes you get them out there.
Headed to Tremblant this week or 12 days where they will get lots of "all-mtn" activity. Hope the season is starting off right guys - thanks for all the insight this Fall!
post #43 of 43
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post
Can anyone offer an explanation based on physics or engineering why a ski would go 15mph faster due to a slight change in the flex characteristics at the tip and tail?

Sounds to me like you were just skiing faster (fewer turns, more time in the fall line, etc.)
I've done a little experimenting with SL and SG skis. From my brief unscientific study on rather small hills (about 700' vertical) if you do your best to go as fast as possible, wind resistance will pretty much override other factors and your top speed will not differ greatly, even though it will feel a lot slower on the ski designed for speed. However if you just cruise around and don't really care how fast your going you will naturally tend to ski at the turn radius that the ski feels best at, and with the forces that you consider normal. This will result in you skiing considerably faster with the longer turn radius skis without even realizing it, unless there is something wrong with them.

Now for the physics. The ski with the longer turn radius will allow you to carve a longer turn in a pure arc than the shorter radius turn. While in a turn the centrepetal acceleration is given by V^2/R (V is velocity, ^ is to the power of, and R is the radius of the turn) and force required to turn you is mV^2/R. For the same speed you will need more force for the smaller turn or put another way to feel the same force in the turn, you will need to be skiing faster in the longer turn.

Putting it all together, the longer radius ski seduces you into making longer turns, you naturally make those turns at higher speeds 'cause that's how how fast you must go for them to feel the same to you.

Conclusion: If your not trying to go as fast as you can, just skiing normally, you will go faster on a higher radius ski unless that ski has some high-speed instability to make you back off.
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