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post #181 of 204
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Originally Posted by Girdwoodguy View Post
Maggot writes: "Whats stopping me? For that matter, whats stopping any of you?" I'm not sure whether the answer is "nothing" or "everything."
When I was 19, I remember riding a chairlift at A-Basin with a man from Pennsylvania. He said "Man, I wish I could live out here." I said " So, why don't you ?"
Now, decades later, I understand why he looked at me like he did. I'm sure he felt that his family, his job, or his bank account would stand in the way. The dream always comes with a price attached.

TRUE and the younger we are the price is so much lower.
post #182 of 204
This is an interesting thread since I am also a transplant to the independent republic of Park City. When I was looking for a place to move out west in 1972, I researched several metro areas near sking and reading the classifieds in the SLC paper which repeatedly had comments in the apartment rental section with the content "no smokers/no drinkers", I thought, I could never live there amongst such an intolerant group of people. I relocated to Colorado, which I love and still do, but felt so many other people felt the same way and it got so crowded, I decided to move again. In 2001, we moved to Park City and love it. Granted, we are sheltered from some of the issues that SLC residents face, but still find ourselves annoyed by the intolerances that do exist in Utah from a group of people so persecuted for their religion, that you would think would be overly tolerant. I know several LDS people from other states that tell me Utah mormons are different from mormons in different parts of the country. I attribute that to the sheer majority of mormons in Utah. I'm hoping the influx of people from other parts of the country will dilute that in the future. Despite the minor annoyances, I do love it here and hope to stay forever.
post #183 of 204

Bourg Saint Maurice, France

Been here since September '07 and love it. Working from home, I skied 50+ days this year without getting in a car (although I did take a bus a few times over to Espace Killy).

Town of 8,000 at 800 meters (2800 ft) a 7 minute funicular ride away from the base of the Les Arcs ski area with 2 K vertical (meters= 6,600 feet) with Val d'Isere/Tignes on one side and Trois Vallee on the other.

Walking from our apartment, my daughter's school & the organic store are each 2 minutes, the train station & gym where I practice basketball with the local team are each 5 minutes and the bottom of the funicular to Les Arc is 7 minutes.

Last day of the ski season was Saturday and I enjoyed winter like snow conditions at the top of the mountain, spring conditions in the middle and then enjoyed what felt like the first day of summer at the local park with my daughter in town.

Would love to stay another year BUT my Frech born wife misses the States too much :...

So, I am searching for a safe, walkable U.S. town with a good public elementary school & local pool THAT HAS GOOD SKIING AS CONVENIENT AS POSSIBLE which also appeals to my wife.

I would prefer something with clean air and water with as many powder opportunities as possible (lots of snow and/or light crowds) while the wife would prefer sunshine, Starbucks and a low enough elevation that her anemia is not a problem. Mild summers, a variety of activities for our daughter, basketball & golf for me and some access to a city would be a plus.

Wife has said no to Tahoe & Park City, likes Davis, CA, Boulder, CO and is willing to check out Durango, Sandpoint and Bozeman. Know we can't find everything that we are looking for, but suggestions appreciated as we are still trying.
post #184 of 204
Whitefish:

--Clean water
--Public beach on the lake
--New fitness facility with pool just a bit out of downtown
--If you live in town it's walkable, and there is the Snow Bus for skiing
--Mountain is about 15 minutes from town
--Famous for low crowds
--Season passes higher than in past, but still reasonable. If you buy now, it's $525 for next season.
--Town elevation is 3000 feet, summit of ski area a mere 6871.
--Summers are wonderful. Days CAN get hot, but nights are in the 50's. I don't have air conditioning and the humidity is low.
--We don't have Starbucks, we have a local roaster named Montana Coffee Traders, much better. We also have a health food/organic food store.
--At least nine golf courses within a 1/2 hour
--Local ice rink if anyone needs it
--Glacier National Park 45 minutes away.
--In-town playhouse for plays, etc.
--Airport a mere 20 minutes out of town
--Train station
--15 miles to big box stores in Kalispell
--TONS of great restaurants

Access to a city? For what?

School system...Hmm...They are proud of it. However, we came from a top notch school system (Blue Ribbon and Gold Star awards) in NJ, so we weren't so impressed. How old is your daughter? Middle school newly renovated. High school definitely needs work and a second bond referendum just failed to pass. There is Flathead Christian, where a lot of people seem to send their kids. All the high schools seem to encourage high performing HS kids to do "Running Start" which has them taking college courses for HS credit. My daughter's friend (female) got into West Point and two others from the class ahead of that one also got in (males). The school must be doing something right or Whitefish has mucho political clout. There is an excellent writing teacher who does a good job preparing the kids for college writing. Possibly our experiences overall were colored not only by our experiences with a much LARGER school system prior to coming here, but also by the fact that my daughter had to travel a LOT for ski racing. The school is EXCELLENT when it comes to accommodating ski racing around the school schedule, I will say that.

Ads for Whitefish: http://www.explorewhitefish.com
http://www.whitefishchamber.org/
http://www.whitefishmt.com/
Golfing: http://www.golfmontana.net/
post #185 of 204
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
I would prefer something with clean air and water with as many powder opportunities as possible (lots of snow and/or light crowds) while the wife would prefer sunshine, Starbucks and a low enough elevation that her anemia is not a problem. Mild summers, a variety of activities for our daughter, basketball & golf for me and some access to a city would be a plus.
If Canada was in the cards, Quebec City might be an option... especially with the French language. As long as you're not an EXTREME skier, the skiing can be just as good as out west... but city-wise it is one of the best anywhere.
post #186 of 204

Canada

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Originally Posted by JoeSchmoe View Post
If Canada was in the cards, Quebec City might be an option... especially with the French language. As long as you're not an EXTREME skier, the skiing can be just as good as out west... but city-wise it is one of the best anywhere.
Thanks. We were suppose to visit Montreal about 10 years ago when my brother-in-law lived there and have heard good things about it and Quebec. My french is pas tres bien, but it would be nice for my daughter to maintain her french. If Canada was in the cards, I would be interested in BC interior as well, but took wife long enough to get US residency which she does not want to jeopordize.
post #187 of 204

Whitefish

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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post
Whitefish:

--Clean water
--Public beach on the lake
--New fitness facility with pool just a bit out of downtown
--If you live in town it's walkable, and there is the Snow Bus for skiing
--Mountain is about 15 minutes from town
--Famous for low crowds
--Season passes higher than in past, but still reasonable. If you buy now, it's $525 for next season.
--Town elevation is 3000 feet, summit of ski area a mere 6871.
--Summers are wonderful. Days CAN get hot, but nights are in the 50's. I don't have air conditioning and the humidity is low.
--We don't have Starbucks, we have a local roaster named Montana Coffee Traders, much better. We also have a health food/organic food store.
--At least nine golf courses within a 1/2 hour
--Local ice rink if anyone needs it
--Glacier National Park 45 minutes away.
--In-town playhouse for plays, etc.
--Airport a mere 20 minutes out of town
--Train station
--15 miles to big box stores in Kalispell
--TONS of great restaurants

Access to a city? For what?

School system...Hmm...They are proud of it. However, we came from a top notch school system (Blue Ribbon and Gold Star awards) in NJ, so we weren't so impressed. How old is your daughter? Middle school newly renovated. High school definitely needs work and a second bond referendum just failed to pass. There is Flathead Christian, where a lot of people seem to send their kids. All the high schools seem to encourage high performing HS kids to do "Running Start" which has them taking college courses for HS credit. My daughter's friend (female) got into West Point and two others from the class ahead of that one also got in (males). The school must be doing something right or Whitefish has mucho political clout. There is an excellent writing teacher who does a good job preparing the kids for college writing. Possibly our experiences overall were colored not only by our experiences with a much LARGER school system prior to coming here, but also by the fact that my daughter had to travel a LOT for ski racing. The school is EXCELLENT when it comes to accommodating ski racing around the school schedule, I will say that.

Ads for Whitefish: http://www.explorewhitefish.com
http://www.whitefishchamber.org/
http://www.whitefishmt.com/
Golfing: http://www.golfmontana.net/
Thanks...Whitefish is something that I had looked at a bit, but didn't think my wife would be too keen on the lack of sun. Daughter will be starting kindergarden this fall.

What is your clean water assessment based on? Bestplaces.net, which may or may not be accurate, had this to say:

Whitefish, MT Health Index

Air quality in Whitefish, MT is 32 on a scale to 100 (higher is better). This is based on ozone alert days and number of pollutants in the air, as reported by the EPA.
Water quality in Whitefish, MT is 34 on a scale to 100 (higher is better). The EPA has a complex method of measuring watershed quality using 15 indicators.
Superfund index is 60 on a scale to 100 (higher is better). This is upon the number and impact of EPA Superfund pollution sites in the county, including spending on the cleanup efforts.
We're looking for comments about Whitefish. Express your opinion
HealthWhitefish, MTUnited StatesAir Quality (100=best)3248Water Quality (100=best)3455Superfund Sites (100=best)6071

Direct EPA data:
Air Quality Index Chart

Geographic Area: Flathead Co, Montana
Date Range: January - December 2007
Chart Type: Daily values (See Summary)

AQI Values: Maximum 152, Minimum 14, Percentiles... 90th 55, 75th 41, 50th 33, 25th 27
AQI Category: Days Good 313 (86%), Moderate 49 (13%), Unhealthy/Sensitive 1 (0.3%), Unhealthy 2 (0.5%)
Main Pollutant: Days CO 12 (3%), O3 163 (45%), PM2.5 47 (13%), PM10 143 (39%)
post #188 of 204
What if anyone of you could live in Europe, where would it be? I'm looking at moving back with my girlfriend to either Austria, Switzerland, Germany, France, or Canada. Yes I know, Canada is not Europe, but I hold citizenship there and she holds it in Germany. We'll be done with college in under a year and are looking at moving away from Boston. I have refused to go anywhere without good skiing!
post #189 of 204
It seems to me the best skiing, and the some of the most reliable high altitude skiing is in France. Anywhere from Grenoble east.
post #190 of 204
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Originally Posted by alex4412 View Post
What if anyone of you could live in Europe, where would it be? I'm looking at moving back with my girlfriend to either Austria, Switzerland, Germany, France, or Canada. Yes I know, Canada is not Europe, but I hold citizenship there and she holds it in Germany. We'll be done with college in under a year and are looking at moving away from Boston. I have refused to go anywhere without good skiing!
Don't know if it would be an advantage for you to live within the German border, but the Bavarian town of Garmisch-Partenkirchen is not world famous without good reason. Incredibly scenic mountain environment with good local skiing. The best skiing in the region, world class terrain, would be 50-100 miles south in the Austrian Tirol; St. Anton, Lech, Ischgl, Solden, etc. From G-P it is only an easy hour north to Munich, major German metropolis larger than Boston.
post #191 of 204
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Originally Posted by Que View Post
I would live here. Have to say, I'm living the dream - especially this year.
I second that emotion. Sitting on property in Almont til '11. Wishing it was here and wishing I could have made it to CB for the awesome season you had.
Watching for the flooding and hoping it isn't too bad. Looks like preparations are taking place according the GCT.
post #192 of 204
She's originally from Munich and I've been twice, just not knowledgeable of the towns with a population under 30,000
post #193 of 204
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
Thanks...Whitefish is something that I had looked at a bit, but didn't think my wife would be too keen on the lack of sun. Daughter will be starting kindergarden this fall.

What is your clean water assessment based on? Bestplaces.net, which may or may not be accurate, had this to say:

Whitefish, MT Health Index

Air quality in Whitefish, MT is 32 on a scale to 100 (higher is better). This is based on ozone alert days and number of pollutants in the air, as reported by the EPA.
Water quality in Whitefish, MT is 34 on a scale to 100 (higher is better). The EPA has a complex method of measuring watershed quality using 15 indicators.
Superfund index is 60 on a scale to 100 (higher is better). This is upon the number and impact of EPA Superfund pollution sites in the county, including spending on the cleanup efforts.
We're looking for comments about Whitefish. Express your opinion
HealthWhitefish, MTUnited StatesAir Quality (100=best)3248Water Quality (100=best)3455Superfund Sites (100=best)6071

Direct EPA data:
Air Quality Index Chart

Geographic Area: Flathead Co, Montana
Date Range: January - December 2007
Chart Type: Daily values (See Summary)

AQI Values: Maximum 152, Minimum 14, Percentiles... 90th 55, 75th 41, 50th 33, 25th 27
AQI Category: Days Good 313 (86%), Moderate 49 (13%), Unhealthy/Sensitive 1 (0.3%), Unhealthy 2 (0.5%)
Main Pollutant: Days CO 12 (3%), O3 163 (45%), PM2.5 47 (13%), PM10 143 (39%)
You want Bozeman - we skied the from Boulder to Vernon BC this season and Bozeman is the only place I would settle. If you have the budget get a place out in Bridger Canyon, make your daughter get the school bus and enrol her in the Alliance Francais classes at The Emerson Centre. Good restaurants, great people, has golf (I think - not my thing), great weather even in winter as it is in a sun hole. Bridger Bowl rocks and it is going to get better next year. Big Sky and whatever the other one is called if you can be bothered driving the 58 miles or something (we couldn't be bothered - it gives us something to go back for).

France: 260558 sq miles/ 64 million people
Montana: 147165 sq miles/ 997 195 people

Montana is just an all round awesome out door kind of place.
post #194 of 204

Europe

Quote:
Originally Posted by alex4412 View Post
What if anyone of you could live in Europe, where would it be? I'm looking at moving back with my girlfriend to either Austria, Switzerland, Germany, France, or Canada. Yes I know, Canada is not Europe, but I hold citizenship there and she holds it in Germany. We'll be done with college in under a year and are looking at moving away from Boston. I have refused to go anywhere without good skiing!
I think Newfydog is right about the high altitude french resorts...I am not sure exactly what you are looking for, but would be happy to answer any questions that you may have about Bourg Saint Maurice/Les Arcs, where I have been living this year.

My experience with other French resorts is limited (a week in Chamonix, 2 days at Val d'Isere, and a day each at Tignes and La Plagne), but would recommend looking at/posting on Eurozone here, or over at Snowheads (mostly English skiers site) for good info on skiing Europe. From what I have read, some of the Italian resorts got lots of snow this year and there is some very good skiing in Switzerland as well.

FWIW, although I have never skied Canada or Europe outside of France, my impression is that interior BC (or Fernie) will offer better lighter powder opportunities (and likely more reliable snow) while Europe offers longer runs at bigger resorts with the opportunity to cover huge amounts of terrain on a single (interconnected) lift pass but with a lower tree line that can cause visibility problems when it storms. There are several inter-resort connections which actually allow you to ski 2 countries in the same day like the Port du Soleil region (France-Switzerland), Espace San Bernardo (France-Italy, here in the Terrentaise) and a link between Zermatt and Corvina, Italy with 365 days of skiing on the glaicier in the Swiss side. There are some others as well.

Thanks Andrew, Bozeman is on our short list...
post #195 of 204
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there is some very good skiing in Switzerland as well.
Fabulous skiing that is!

And then, there's Austria. Most people tend to forget that. But of my trips, the one to Austria was actually the most pleasent. BTW, Austria is relatively easy to get to from (some part of) Germany, too.
post #196 of 204
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
Thanks...Whitefish is something that I had looked at a bit, but didn't think my wife would be too keen on the lack of sun. Daughter will be starting kindergarden this fall.

What is your clean water assessment based on? Bestplaces.net, which may or may not be accurate, had this to say:

Whitefish, MT Health Index

Air quality in Whitefish, MT is 32 on a scale to 100 (higher is better). This is based on ozone alert days and number of pollutants in the air, as reported by the EPA.
Water quality in Whitefish, MT is 34 on a scale to 100 (higher is better). The EPA has a complex method of measuring watershed quality using 15 indicators.
Superfund index is 60 on a scale to 100 (higher is better). This is upon the number and impact of EPA Superfund pollution sites in the county, including spending on the cleanup efforts.
We're looking for comments about Whitefish. Express your opinion
HealthWhitefish, MTUnited StatesAir Quality (100=best)3248Water Quality (100=best)3455Superfund Sites (100=best)6071

Direct EPA data:
Air Quality Index Chart

Geographic Area: Flathead Co, Montana
Date Range: January - December 2007
Chart Type: Daily values (See Summary)

AQI Values: Maximum 152, Minimum 14, Percentiles... 90th 55, 75th 41, 50th 33, 25th 27
AQI Category: Days Good 313 (86%), Moderate 49 (13%), Unhealthy/Sensitive 1 (0.3%), Unhealthy 2 (0.5%)
Main Pollutant: Days CO 12 (3%), O3 163 (45%), PM2.5 47 (13%), PM10 143 (39%)
OMG! Can't read this very well!!! As to air quality, I think we get hit by the forest fires in August BADLY. Notice that "Days Good" are 313. We also get inversions. But, after living in New Jersey, the air looks great to me. As to water quality, for DRINKING ours is excellent, we have our own well. I take my water with me into town, because town water is ...town water... and tastes of chlorine.

As to water quality for fishing, you can look down 20 feet in Whitefish Lake and see the bottom if the sun is out.

I don't think bestplaces.net is accurate for everything. They say the MEDIAN home price in Whitefish is $555,000 when a JUST PUBLISHED thing from the realtors locally puts it at $355,000, a noticeable difference! They also say there is no "sales tax", but we have a "resort tax" of 2%.

I'd say visit and form your own opinions.
post #197 of 204
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post #198 of 204
The region around Zürich or Zürich itself is such a great place. I absolutely loved it when I visited and it looks perfect for a place to call home.
post #199 of 204

Where to live

A few years ago (before my company was sold and I was laid off) my wife and I were contemplating where to retire and stumbled on a great site called findyourspot.com.

It takes a while to fill in the entire questionnaire but I was amazed at accurate it matched my desires. It returned about 20 results with number one being Durango. Ironically, my wife used to work as a desk clerk in Durango.

We investigated several of the communities and made a trip out west about three years ago. We visited Bozeman, Missoula, and Kalispell in Montana and Sandpoint in Idaho (Schweitzer Mountain). They were all nice but my first choice was Sandpoint. The town is terrific, it's close to a major airport (Spokane), there's a wonderful golf course, and the mountain has an impressive racing program. I should have bought several years ago. Hollywood has discovered the town. My wife subsequently got laid off as well so our retirement plans have been put on hold.

Of course if I really had my druthers, I'd retire in Zermatt.
post #200 of 204
findyourspot wouldn't have suggested Zermatt though...
post #201 of 204
Exactly. I just did that, and it gave me four places I have already lived (Anchorage, Homer, Seward, Bellingham) at least four I would never consider (Seattle, Spokane, Fort Collins, Denver) and none of my short list (Zermatt, Whistler, Chamonix and Nice).
post #202 of 204
Interesting.. The town I live in is ranked number 6. The others listed probably got on there because of the housing price I entered (which is the current value, not the amount we paid as we got here at the beginning of the real estate climb). The town ahead are all REALLY pricey: Steamboat, Jackson, Aspen, Sun Valley and Ketchum.
post #203 of 204

Find Your Spot

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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan View Post
Exactly. I just did that, and it gave me four places I have already lived (Anchorage, Homer, Seward, Bellingham) at least four I would never consider (Seattle, Spokane, Fort Collins, Denver) and none of my short list (Zermatt, Whistler, Chamonix and Nice).
I used it a while back as well and while it can be of some good general use for normal people with balanced interests looking in the US, it is not really tailored to someone looking abroad or who has some very specific criteria (i.e. within 10 minutes of good powder as opposed to having some skiing within 100 miles). I am also unsure of how up to date their reports are...
post #204 of 204

findyourspot

The folks at findyourspot will tell you that there will be some in there that deviate on some points (especially price). I'm not sure which criteria they use but it's an interesting four page assessment for anyone investigating a particular place.

Sie sind richtig. Zermatt won't make their list.....

BTW, the bride and I really liked Jackson when we were out there a couple of years ago. We stopped in at a real estate office. The cheapest listing they had was $530,000.

We had just spent a week cross country skiing at Yellowstone and then spent a couple of days at Jackson where I skied Jackson Hole and Snow King. The shot below was taken at Yellowstone. What an amazing place.


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