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Salomon Impact 10

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I have a question about boots and the size they ultimatley are once they pack out. I went to a local ski shop and tried on a size 25.5 in the Salomon Impact 10.(I was shell fit for a 25.5 with a Nordica boot) I would have bought the boot then and there but, it was on hold for an individual who was going to pick it up a couple hours later.

I ordered both the Salomon Impact 10 in 25.5 and 24.5 online and will simply return the one that does not fit adequately.

Being a person that has previously purchased two pairs of boots within the last 4 years and they have become big because of packing out, I don't want to make the same mistake again. I now know that the last two pairs of boots purchase were too big.

Anyway, down to my question:

When a boot ultimately packs out, what size is it once it does. Would a 24.5 feel more like a 25 after it packs out and a 25.5 a 26? The reason I ask is because my last pair of boots, Nordica GTS 8 in a 26.5, now feels huge because it is packed out. Just curious...
post #2 of 21
the shell on the 25 and the 25.5 is the same and will pack out to be the same.
boots will pack out 3-5mm or 1/4 to 1/2 a size, plus a boot fitter can make a boot bigger by a lot is needed.
you want a shell fit of 5-15mm
other way to feel the packout is put the 25 liner in the 24 shell. that will give you an idea of how it packs out too
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
How can this be? Wouldn't a 25 and a 25.5 pack out about the same amount causing the 25.5 to feel more like a 26 and the 25 a 25.5?

I saw another post where you are in a 24 Salomon Impact. My foot measures to be exactly 25.4 cm which leads me to believe that the 25.5 might be the right size. Or since the shell is most likely closer to a 26.5 in size once the liner is out, maybe once a 24.5 packs out, it will be perfect?
Anyway, this is all purely conjecture as I have not received the 25.5 or the 24.5 yet.
post #4 of 21
If your foot physiology is in ratio (arch length/toe-heel length) then the shell fit sizing is recommended. Also be mindful of forefoot width/instep height. Make sure when the boots are new, they fit comfortably snug almost too snug. It's easier to make a smaller boot bigger than the reverse. You may also experience a slight numbing or tingly sensation when new and not broken in. Consider the correctly shell sized 25.0/25.5 mondo to be the tightest the boot will ever feel when new. They should both feel the same with a trim to fit or custom footbed. The only difference between the two stock sizes is that the 25.5 will have a stock footbed 1mm thinner.
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by Skier-X85 View Post
How can this be? Wouldn't a 25 and a 25.5 pack out about the same amount causing the 25.5 to feel more like a 26 and the 25 a 25.5?
the liner can only pack out to the shell shape as a max. so after 5-10 days both the .0 and the .5 will feel the same.

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Originally Posted by Skier-X85 View Post
I saw another post where you are in a 24 Salomon Impact.
my foot measures 26.5cm weighted and 26.0 (or a bit less) un weighted, and the shell fit, on the 24 is 5mm. The 25 shell (that I have used in waves and falcons) just felt too big. Also a 8.5 shoe mens


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Originally Posted by Skier-X85 View Post
My foot measures to be exactly 25.4 cm which leads me to believe that the 25.5 might be the right size. Or since the shell is most likely closer to a 26.5 in size once the liner is out, maybe once a 24.5 packs out, it will be perfect?

WHAT???



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Originally Posted by Skier-X85 View Post
Anyway, this is all purely conjecture as I have not received the 25.5 or the 24.5 yet.
exactly. so shell fit the boots once you have them, get that between 5-15mm, and return the other pair of boots (that I think you will return the 25's, and you will be skiing in the 24's)
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
WHAT???
I just read what I wrote and can see where the confusion kicks in. I read somewhere that the size of the boot without the liner is much larger than it is with the liner. I was merely trying to articulate that point...

Thanks for the help also. So what is the best way to measure your shell fit.
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by Skier-X85 View Post
what is the best way to measure your shell fit.
remove the liner
foot in shell of the boot with your toes touching the front.
Room behind the heel = XXmm shell fit.
post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 
Finally got the boots and am now starting to figure out the shell fit. Should I shell fit with thin socks or without socks? Do I want to check the shell fit at the top of the heel or deeper within the heel pocket?
post #9 of 21
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Should I shell fit with thin socks or without socks?
Very thin socks or bare foot. Be careful of sharp edges if you do it bare foot.

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Do I want to check the shell fit at the top of the heel or deeper within the heel pocket?
The back of the heel will be convex below the achilles tendon. Measure from the highest point on the convexity.
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
By measuring at the top of the heel(convexity), I seem to have a 15mm shell fit.(I figured out that my middle finger, measured from palm side to top side is an even 15mm) With my middle finger behind the heel(at the spot you mentioned) the finger is snug.

Measuring the 25.5 shell the same way, I seem to have about 20mm if not greater at the spot you mentioned.

Thinking to myself that the 24.5 fit is better for me, I try on a 24.5 boot with liner on one foot and the 25.5 with liner on the other. The 24.5 immediately felt small(and after about 5 min subtle numbing kicked in) and the 25.5 fit larger and more comfortable.

Considering the fact that my last two pairs of boots felt somewhat closer to the 25.5 fit in terms of comfort(last pair, size 26.5) Which one is right for me?(or as best as you can determine from my description)
post #11 of 21
24.0/24.5
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
Yes, I am fully aware that both liners will pack out to a certain degree and am trying to visualize how they might feel after that.

I am wearing both sizes right now and plan to wear them for at least 30 min to see what happens and which one feels better after that point.

My heel feels comfortably snug in the 25.5 with very little movement and the 24.5 almost feels jammed back there. On the bright side, too much room in the heel is one of the problems with my previous boots. So I am good there.

To further describe how both boots feel:
The toe box feels quite snug with the 24.5 and the toes feel almost crammed up there and they move back ever so slightly when I flex forward.

The toe box in the 25.5 feels pretty comfortable and they move back easily and further than the 24.5. I will give an update in 30.... :
post #13 of 21
24.0/24.5
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
I see that you are emphatic that the 24.5 is the right size for me. Indulge me if you will as I want to describe a little more about the fit.(I think I might know your answer)

After 30 mins:

My feet have warmed the inner liner and the 25.5 feels about perfect with my toes touching the front ever so slightly. The room in 25.5 feels comfortably snug still with an emphasis on feeling perfect.(I have to keep going back to "pack out" and can only think that they might feel to large after about 10 days on the mountain.

The 24.5 feels quite honestly "uncomfortably tight" and the numbing/tingling sensation that you mentioned a few posts ago is heightened. A pressure point at the instep has revealed itelf as well and can only imagine that it will get worse. Lastly, my toes almost feel slightly bent. Hard to tell cause they are so numb. Quite honestly, I can't wait to take it off! :

Still think 24.5 is the right size?
post #15 of 21
24.0/24.5
post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 
haha! Thanks guys: The only thing that I am worried about is the numbing sensation, which quite honestly I can feel even with the 25.5. Can't this cause frost bite?
post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 
Just an FYI, my feet measure 26cm. Many have told me that have sized down about 1.5cm with the Salomon Impact 10 which is spot on for me as well.

I actually just found something very interesting by experimenting as well.The size 24.5 boot fits great without socks! This leads me to believe that the socks that I currently own are too thick and is causing my boot to not fit correctly despite the correct shell sizing. I will keep an eye out for some very thin ski socks and will experiment further. Your assistance truly is invaluable.
post #18 of 21
also try the 24 shell with the 25 liners.

also try the 24shell with 24 liners and without footbeds.

my foot measures 26.5+ and ski the 24.
post #19 of 21
Thread Starter 
All Hail the EpicSki Bootfitters! I just wanted to thank you guys for your help. With your guidance and adamant belief that the 24.5 is right for me, I worked with the boot, installed custom insoles(trimmed to fit from previous boots), had them heat molded and can't be happier. They fit like warm, very snug slippers at the moment and can't wait to get them up the mountain(or down rather) before the Beave closes for the season. Thanks again! I will be sure to right a review of the boot once I get a chance.

Skier-x
post #20 of 21
great, now go buy us all some beer.


enjoy the 24.0/24.5 boots
post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 
I would if I had time. If you ever come down into Colorado, let me know and I will. Until then, happy skiing :
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