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Half Duck Man

post #1 of 12
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I have a right foot that is "ducky". Enough so that a solution I read about on this forum might work for me;
The incredible Duck-man (canting, heavy shoes?) http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=68954

I plan to have my binding mounted on the ski to simulate the angle my right foot points outwards.

Right foot never felt good no matter how many alignment experts I went to: Harold Harb, Bob Olson of Troutdale, OR, Adam Olson of Dale Boots. They all added something beneficial but my right foot still felt funny like I was stretching or angling it to hold the ski down flat and straight. Quads in right leg always give out a lot sooner than the left because I have to always hold my leg in the correct position. Then I went to see Mark Elling, Mt. Bachelor, author of "The All Mountain Skier". He mentioned for the first time that mounting "ducky" has been done before. Suggested I should try a pair of old skis because there is no going back.

2 questions:
1--Is there any going back? Can I remount the bindings straight if they don't work? I was thinking maybe I could buy a different brand the second time that have their mounting holes in different places.

2--I'm also thinking that I should buy bindings with the lowest riser height I can find. Hopefully right down on the deck. I feel all the bad variables with my bad feet angles would be amplified by risers, even more so with a ducky mounting. Does anyone know what binding on the market has the lowest riser height, if any? The lowest I've found have a riser height of 15 mm in the shops around here.

I'm 57 years old, have weenie legs, hate going too fast, but have pretty good technique except for muscles getting tired really quick (yes, I do the pre-season workout at the gym; I'm not overweight either). I just don't ski along standing up humming to myself. I have to concentrate on holding everything straight and it takes me half the day to finally relearn how to ski every time I go out. I just can't do any more alignment sessions. Did I mention I have bow legs, my right ankle is narrower than my left? My right arch is really high? My left heel was shattered into 3 pieces and bolted together years ago (bolts taken out) so I lost 14% range of motion of my left ankle? But besides that, I have a great personality, heh. This super light-bulb has been turned on in my head. Never thought you could mount a boot on a ski at an angle.
post #2 of 12
1) you can re-use the same bindings, but you will have to mount them 1cm forward or back of the duck holes. Or what you said with use a different brand. I've mounted my wifes skis this was a few times. Mainly she is using a fat ski so I reversed the rubber plugs on the side of the binding jigs to get the offset. Might not have been 100% accurate for an exact %, but was at least symmetrical. I thin kit was 5 deg mount. That plus her Nordica aggressor boots = 8' and she is happy

2) no idea. not a demo for sure, My old school look are 10mm toe and 15mm heel. That is base of binding to AFD (so basically ski top sheet, to bottom of boot)
post #3 of 12
Has anyone ever suggested or measured for a leg length differential?
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
Quote:
you can re-use the same bindings, but you will have to mount them 1cm forward or back of the duck holes. Or what you said with use a different brand. . . . I reversed the rubber plugs on the side of the binding jigs to get the offset. Might not have been 100% accurate for an exact %, but was at least symmetrical. I thin kit was 5 deg mount. That plus her Nordica aggressor boots = 8' and she is happy
Thanks! My latest fitter is also is foaming at the mouth about un-riveting the top part of my boot and twisting it inwards to accomodate my knee tracking straight. Never heard of that. Does the ducking affect your wife's knee tracking/canting?

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Has anyone ever suggested or measured for a leg length differential?
Yes. There is none. At one time in my life a Chiropractor told me 3mm. Then I shattered my heel in 3 places and the doctor bolting it back together I think built my feet the same length. I've played with a small insert (foot sized) on my right foot because I thought the same thing before I realized my discomfort was the duck pointing, not the length.

But thank you for reminding me.
post #5 of 12
Adjusting the rotation of the upper cuff by changing the hinge points can help to direct the knee differently (in/out/neutral). This should be done in the context of your whole setup, i.e. lateral cuff alignment, canting, and toe out. Often a "cocktail" approach (a little bit of this and that) can yield a result that is better than relying on one big single plane adjustment.

Depending on your movement pattern and natural knee thrust/tracking angle, you may need to rotate the cuff "in" a bit if you adopt a toe out position. Hard to comment without a) seeing you, and b) seeing you ski .
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Depending on your movement pattern and natural knee thrust/tracking angle, you may need to rotate the cuff "in" a bit if you adopt a toe out position. Hard to comment without a) seeing you, and b) seeing you ski .
I actually can put on a pretty good pose, especially since I started videotaping myself and spending a fortune on ski camp. But to do this, my quad on my right let wears out very quick. I was thinking about it while skiing today. We had a long shallow part to get through and I streched my legs straight just to relax everything but my right foot seemed to be reaching down and touching along the outside edge, me thinks because of having to hold the duck in straight.

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Often a "cocktail" approach (a little bit of this and that) can yield a result that is better than relying on one big single plane adjustment
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I hear you. I've been doing that, building one thing on top of the other trying to account for the unrecognized duck (until I read the Duck Man post) not knowing I could mount the binding crooked. I guess I'm going to have to take everything off and start from scratch. The duck mounting is an expensive experiment but I am willing to try that. Also bought a binding that has no riser since I figure something that "augments" the skiers ability might also "augment" a flawed foot.

Thank you!
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
I did the duck mount on new Mantras.
Right quad still burns like crazy way before anything else does.
So it didn't solve the problem I thought it would.
Might be a little more comfortable. Got really weird legs.
post #8 of 12
You may need to check fore/aft bias. Possibly a longer right leg.
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Pretty sure it isn't longer. PT and knee doctor don't think so. Maybe I can get the knee doctor to approve x-ray paid by insurance.

I will include a photo of my legs, soon. Thank you!
post #10 of 12
How about pelvis rotation? (further forward on right side?)
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
relaxed stance skiing stance, trying to stack bones

On the skiing stance I notice that my right quad has tensed up.
post #12 of 12
would be useful to see the full leg and feet in both shots
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